http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish-Jewish
legal scholar, in 1944, firstly from the Greek root génos
(birth, race, stock, kind); secondly from Latin -cidium (cutting, killing)
via French -cide.
In 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Lemkin's
most important work, entitled Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, in the United
States. This book included an extensive legal analysis of German rule in
countries occupied by Nazi Germany during the course of World War II, along
with the definition of the term genocide
("the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group"😉.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
This original definition or "genocide" has been expanded by many, like FMF,
to mean any group they wish it to refer to. So now they can say the the
call for the termination of a group of criminals is also "genocide", This
is the way FMF uses the term when he makes accusations against Dasa and
myself when we suggest that the Muslim terrorists should be terminated or
eliminated. Yet he makes no claim of attempted "genocide" against these
Muslim terrorists groups, who call for the elimination of the nation of
Israel and the Jews and actually try to accomplish these actions.
FMF, apparently, believes these Muslim terrorists groups should be allowed
to continue their bombings and killings of innocent children in their
attempt to accomplish their evil intent. Dasa and myself believe they are
international criminals and should be terminated, if necessary, to prevent
real genocide of the Jews or whoever else they wish to target. FmF has
convinced others on this forum that Dasa and I are calling for genocide
even after We have denied saying anything about calling for the destruction
of a nation or an ethnic group, which is the original and true meaning of
"genocide".
Dasa and I are not calling for "genocide" but for "justice" aganist these
international criminals, which would include any of those in their criminal
organizations.
Originally posted by deennyI did not see his original post. I do not know if he said ALL muslim men
I will remind you that Dasa said ALL muslim men. Are you with him on that
or not. What I did see were later posts in which he denied using the
word genocide and clarifying that he was referring to the Muslim
criminals. I did not get the impression that he was referring to ALL
Muslim men. I am not referring to All Muslim men and I would be glad
to live in peace with those Muslims that are willing to allow me and
others the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by RJHindsBefore you join the Dasa and his Vedaic religion, you'd better learn about his opinion by reading his postings. But he is a creationist, so whatever...?
I did not see his original post. I do not know if he said ALL muslim men
or not. What I did see were later posts in which he denied using the
word genocide and clarifying that he was referring to the Muslim
criminals. I did not get the impression that he was referring to ALL
Muslim men. I am not referring to All Muslim men and I would be glad
to liv ...[text shortened]... at are willing to allow me and
others the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe most charitable view of your support of him, is that you are ignorant about what he said.
I did not see his original post. I do not know if he said ALL muslim men
or not. What I did see were later posts in which he denied using the
word genocide and clarifying that he was referring to the Muslim
criminals. I did not get the impression that he was referring to ALL
Muslim men. I am not referring to All Muslim men and I would be glad
to liv ...[text shortened]... at are willing to allow me and
others the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
This is all a bit strange. You defend what Dasa said in a post which you did not see. Everyone who claims to have seen his post in these forums say he used the words "all Muslim men". Are we all wrong. He did not use the word "genocide", but what he suggested was pretty close to the modern meaning of the word.
I am glad that you have put some distance between yourself and Dasa on this matter. Fmf did not convince me of what Dasa said on the "genocide" or what ever word you want to use. I saw it with my own eyes
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Originally posted by RJHindsEdit: About the thread title:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish-Jewish
legal scholar, in 1944, firstly from the Greek root génos
(birth, race, stock, kind); secondly from Latin -cidium (cutting, killing)
via French -cide.
In 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Lemkin's
most im l criminals, which would include any of those in their criminal
organizations.
Are you suggesting that we should consider your opposition to genocide, to be equal to his opposition to genocide?
Originally posted by JS357I saw what he said in later posts. The original post was removed before
The most charitable view of your support of him, is that you are ignorant about what he said.
I could look at it. But if he did say what you say, he apparently made
a mistake and did not mean that for he later said differently. Since FMF
also accused me of advocating genocide on Muslims, I am willing to
give Dasa the benefit of the doubt. It must be a misunderstanding
since he has always posted against killing in the past.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou raise a good question -- is it okay to call for "genocide" as long as the target population includes many people who are doing violent and terrible things?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish-Jewish
legal scholar, in 1944, firstly from the Greek root génos
(birth, race, stock, kind); secondly from Latin -cidium (cutting, killing)
via French -cide.
In 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Lemkin's
most im l criminals, which would include any of those in their criminal
organizations.
We can use Taliban as an example. If this group is committing atrocities or harboring terrorists, action is needed to protect the innocent. But is it really okay to call for the termination of EVERYONE belonging to this organization? Are all (or even most) Taliban members bad people?
I can imagine a modern version of the "Good Samaritan" parable being told in which the Samaritan is instead a member of Taliban.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo are you still pursuing happiness or have you found it? Because if you haven't found it now, and you are so old and wise, then how in the hell do us mere students of the Great RJHinds (guide to christianity) ever have a hope in finding it?
I did not see his original post. I do not know if he said ALL muslim men
or not. What I did see were later posts in which he denied using the
word genocide and clarifying that he was referring to the Muslim
criminals. I did not get the impression that he was referring to ALL
Muslim men. I am not referring to All Muslim men and I would be glad
to liv ...[text shortened]... at are willing to allow me and
others the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Sounds as if you (RJ) have been sucked right into the U.S.'s war propaganda about the muslims,etc.
Remember the first casualty of war is truth. You know that , dont you?
Have you ever tried to look at an everyday muslims person's view (someone living in Afganistan or Iraq) ?
Over there, they see the U.S. as being the evil one, Satan,etc. After all, they do come and bomb their country and butt into other nations politics/wars .
How would you like it if they came and bombed so many Americans? It would pale 9/11 into insignificance. Wake and and smell the coffee, RJ. The U.S. is rotten to the core. But I still dont advocate bombing it as a solution. A big thumbs down from me 😛
Originally posted by RJHindsWhere have I ever said anything that could even remotely lead anyone to think that this is what I believe?
FMF, apparently, believes these Muslim terrorists groups should be allowed
to continue their bombings and killings of innocent children in their
attempt to accomplish their evil intent.
Originally posted by RJHindsDasa was referring explicitly to all Muslim men. What is inconvenient for Dasa, and his denials, and also for you and your bizarre assertions about what he did and did not say or mean - despite the fact that you didn't see the thread yourself - is that I copied the Dec 19th thread - it was entitled "Peace" - in which he advocated the genocide of Muslims [all Muslim men, maybe the women - if they failed "to prove themselves" - and not the children] to my computer before the thread was deleted and then sent it to 15 of the regular posters here on Dec 20th and several more in the last few days. So, there are at least 20 of the regular posters here, plus me, plus the six posters that contributed to that thread, plus Dasa himself who know that he is lying.
I did not see his original post. I do not know if he said ALL muslim men
or not. What I did see were later posts in which he denied using the
word genocide and clarifying that he was referring to the Muslim
criminals. I did not get the impression that he was referring to ALL
Muslim men.
Originally posted by RJHindsOriginally posted by Dasa
Since FMF also accused me of advocating genocide on Muslims, I am willing to
give Dasa the benefit of the doubt.
In 1940 ..........should we have removed the SS Nazis from society?
Originally posted by FMF
The Nazi movement and regime, of which the SS was a part, advocated and carried out genocide against people of a specific religion. Doesn't your call for a deliberate and systematic genocide, also against the people of a specific religion, mean that you have more in common with the Nazis than you do with the people who opposed them?
Originally posted by RJHinds
Not when this religion is Satan inspired.
I then pointed out to you that there were Christian Nazis who believed and claimed that the Jews were Satanic and Satan inspired. And I asked you if you were comfortable calling for a genocide despite the fact that it has these Nazi parallels? I can understand why this pointed question of mine has now suddenly made you seek to deny that you supported Dasa's call for genocide, but it still seems bizarre that you are also seeking to defend Dasa for what he said.
Originally posted by RJHindsif anyone tried to change the definition of genocide it was jaywill, who tried to redefine it to only include a fully successful plan to wipe out every individual of a nation/ethnic group in his morbid defense of your psychotic god.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
The term "genocide" was coined by Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959), a Polish-Jewish
legal scholar, in 1944, firstly from the Greek root génos
(birth, race, stock, kind); secondly from Latin -cidium (cutting, killing)
via French -cide.
In 1944, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published Lemkin's
most im ...[text shortened]... l criminals, which would include any of those in their criminal
organizations.