So let's say some working stiff such as myself happens to make enough money to become rich would I now be more a sinner? How about I bust my @$$ in my own business and happen finally to make some money and possibly become wealthy? I worked for it! Right were is the sin? I would diffidently help out people less fortunate than myself as I try to do anyway. I think it's greed that is the underlying issue.
Originally posted by menace71 So let's say some working stiff such as myself happens to make enough money to become rich would I now be more a sinner? How about I bust my @$$ in my own business and happen finally to make some money and possibly become wealthy? I worked for it! Right were is the sin? I would diffidently help out people less fortunate than myself as I try to do anyway. I think it's greed that is the underlying issue.
Manny
As long as a system based on private property, the profit motive, and usury continues to predominate, the kingdom will never be realized. Working to better yourself within that iniquitous system will only serve to prolong its dominance and further delay the realization of the kingdom. The decision is yours. You can continue to be complicit in the propagation of a fallen system which breeds inequality, misery and poverty, or you can rise above it, sever all attachments to it, and help usher in the kingdom.
Originally posted by rwingett As long as a system based on private property, the profit motive, and usury continues to predominate, the kingdom will never be realized. Working to better yourself within that iniquitous system will only serve to prolong its dominance and further delay the realization of the kingdom. The decision is yours. You can continue to be complicit in the propagatio ...[text shortened]... d poverty, or you can rise above it, sever all attachments to it, and help usher in the kingdom.
"...and help usher in the kingdom."
God doesn't need any help ushering in the Kingdom.
Originally posted by rwingett As long as a system based on private property, the profit motive, and usury continues to predominate, the kingdom will never be realized. Working to better yourself within that iniquitous system will only serve to prolong its dominance and further delay the realization of the kingdom. The decision is yours. You can continue to be complicit in the propagatio ...[text shortened]... d poverty, or you can rise above it, sever all attachments to it, and help usher in the kingdom.
Originally posted by epiphinehas I can't believe what I'm hearing. Being rich or poor has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not one is written in the Book of Life.
No man gets into heaven without the blood of Jesus. That alone is the deciding factor: have your sins been washed clean in the blood of Jesus, or not? Has the blood of Jesus set you free from the lust of the fl ...[text shortened]... e they're educated, work at a university, and handle their money wisely?
Give me a break.
Lol!
Do you mean blood literally?
I do agree with your point generally.
Being rich is relative.
I would be a wealthy man in a third world country whereas I'm only considered lower class here...
Originally posted by rwingett As long as a system based on private property, the profit motive, and usury continues to predominate, the kingdom will never be realized. Working to better yourself within that iniquitous system will only serve to prolong its dominance and further delay the realization of the kingdom. The decision is yours. You can continue to be complicit in the propagatio ...[text shortened]... d poverty, or you can rise above it, sever all attachments to it, and help usher in the kingdom.
I agree there are flaws in our system but really? How can I separate myself?So do not work to better ourselves?I don't work I don't eat. My little one does not eat. I don' t think government is the answer. Give all my money what little I actually have to the government? The government is supposed to be us. The way this kingdom will work the perfect utopia is when God rules it. That will be perfect socialism. However man with any system is flawed. Socialism always fails. Capitalism is not much better. So a person can't work there way out of poverty? We know this to be false.
Originally posted by menace71 I agree there are flaws in our system but really? How can I separate myself?So do not work to better ourselves?I don't work I don't eat. My little one does not eat. I don' t think government is the answer. Give all my money what little I actually have to the government? The government is supposed to be us. The way this kingdom will work the perfect utopia i ...[text shortened]... tter. So a person can't work there way out of poverty? We know this to be false.
Manny
So far from what I have gathered, those who own property and have a house, two cars, a dog, and two kids in college and still have money in the bank left over are the ones responsible for sin in the world and are all going to hell.....except for our glorious leaders like Obama who are ushering in socialism and making these thinks increasingly unattainable, but I think that is only common sense. 🙄
Originally posted by rwingett [b]As long as a system based on private property, the profit motive, and usury continues to predominate, the kingdom will never be realized.
If it were not for people like Lenon and Stalin and Marx, and Castro and Chevez and Mao, the kingdom would be nonexistent on this earth. Thank God for their examples!!
What a joke that fool Obama is! I thought he was against war? heck he going to be sending 1000's more soldiers to Afghanistan. All that cat cares about is looking good. So where is the messiah now? He was going to save America what a joke. I'm not saying there are not flaws in our current system but give me a break.
Originally posted by menace71 What a joke that fool Obama is! I thought he was against war? heck he going to be sending 1000's more soldiers to Afghanistan. All that cat cares about is looking good. So where is the messiah now? He was going to save America what a joke. I'm not saying there are not flaws in our current system but give me a break.
Manny
Now, now, those Afghans are property owners and, therefore, must be purged. In fact, they all fight over the property in the Holy Land trying to decide who should own it. From a Maxist view, that is simply appalling and sinful. They all need to be purged!!
Originally posted by rwingett If my version turned out to be true, wouldn't you be interested in it too?
But your view of Chrsit is nothing more than a second rate Carl Marx. Would you say that Carl Marx is a better example than Christ for ushering in "the kingdom"?
Originally posted by menace71 I agree there are flaws in our system but really? How can I separate myself?So do not work to better ourselves?I don't work I don't eat. My little one does not eat. I don' t think government is the answer. Give all my money what little I actually have to the government? The government is supposed to be us. The way this kingdom will work the perfect utopia i ...[text shortened]... tter. So a person can't work there way out of poverty? We know this to be false.
Manny
Government? I never said anything about government. Government is a necessary institution as long as man continues to exist in his fallen state. But when the kingdom is inaugurated the (fallen) state shall wither away.
Instead of working your way out of poverty, why don't you quit propagating a system that breeds poverty? Not only will you not have to worry about your children eating, but you won't have to worry about anyone's children eating.
Debate!!
18 Dec '09 03:29
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