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Originally posted by CrazyLilTingWhat?
God does no exist. How can you define something that not exist, may be only in your mind?
Perhaps you are trying to say, "God does not exist. How can you define something that doesn't exist, that may only exist in your mind?"
P.S. If this is your argument against the existence of God, perhaps you should go here for some more cohesive arguments:
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html
Originally posted by CodfishI stand corrected. Don't worry for my bad grammar, english isn't my mother tonge. 🙂
What?
Perhaps you are trying to say, "God does not exist. How can you define something that doesn't exist, that may only exist in your mind?"
P.S. If this is your argument against the existence of God, perhaps you should go here for some more cohesive arguments:
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/300proof.html
Anyway, you have interpreted my feelings.
Thanks for correcting me.
I'll follow the link. Thx!
But don't expect I'll change my mind after reading it...
Regards
- J
Originally posted by Codfish(Sigh of exasperation)...so you HAVE EXPERIENCED God then?
I tried to make you onderstand that I have experienced God personally, but also that God came to Earth to help give everyone a chance to meet him.
Surely with all your critical thinking skills you understand one of the basic tenets of one of the religions that you so vehemently despise?😲
Make your half-mind up.
I repeat my earlier question:
"Care to share your personal experience(s) with God here on redhotpawn?"
Originally posted by howardgeeIf you could read more than one post at a time, you wouldn't be exasperated. The previous post was only necessary because of your inability to grasp more than one idea at a time.
(Sigh of exasperation)...so you HAVE EXPERIENCED God then?
Make your half-mind up.
I repeat my earlier question:
"Care to share your personal experience(s) with God here on redhotpawn?"
Here's one of my personal experiences of God. Writing something in my blog that a close friend read on the day she was contemplating suicide. I'm not going to explain exactly what I wrote, or why, or how incredibly important it was to her ability to carry on with life. It's too personal.
Here's another. Being in a place of deep despair last Saturday night and being prayed with by the one person in the room who was in a position to understand certain parts of what I was going through.
Here's another. Being prayed for by two people and having the sensation that Jesus is standing right in front of me, both arms outstretched and holding me.
Any specific experience I cite, you can (and will) put down to either coincidence or imagination. I don't really care. First of all, you're not someone whose opinion I value.
Secondly, the suggestion that everything that's valuable in life can be observed, measured and quantified is absurd. If you can't 'experience' a sunset, a symphony or a field of flowers, you're barely human. And I'd like to see you try and define THOSE experiences, because I bet your attempts would seem every bit as pathetic as you claim our attempts at defining God and our experience of him have been.
Originally posted by orfeoI wouldn't want to demean your experience, Orfeo, but to what degree would you be willing to consider that this particular phenomenon was directly related to 'expected reality' similar to hypoxia-induced "NDE"?
Here's another. Being prayed for by two people and having the sensation that Jesus is standing right in front of me, both arms outstretched and holding me.
Originally posted by David CSure, that's possible. Although I'd point out that, whereas hypoxia is not something likely to be repeated too often in one's lifetime, I've been a Christian for 16 years and been prayed for many, many times, and this experience was a one off.
I wouldn't want to demean your experience, Orfeo, but to what degree would you be willing to consider that this particular phenomenon was directly related to 'expected reality' similar to hypoxia-induced "NDE"?
I'd been a Christian for 6 years already. If I was subconsciously expecting visitations from Jesus, wouldn't they be likely to occur each time I got myself into the appropriate 'state'? That's one viewpoint anyway.
I certainly wouldn't claim to be free from doubt about the subject.
I'm not by inclination given to even talking about these things. I know Christians who pepper every conversation with references to 'God said this' and 'Jesus was with me' and so forth, and inwardly I *wince*. I know Christians who see symbolism in places I couldn't imagine. I remember being stunned by one of St Augustine's allegories and thinking 'couldn't you just read the TEXT and not stretch it so ridiculously far?'.
And yet I retain a strong memory of that one particular occasion. And even though I knew perfectly well the hands I felt were one hand of each of the people on either side of me, in my mind I could not shake the sensation that it was only one man standing right in front of me.
The people praying for me - who unlike me had their eyes open - told me afterwards they were worried I was going to fall over. Apparently I was swaying waaay back and forth. I had no idea.
Make of that what you will.
Originally posted by orfeoFor me you had a genuine experience which manifested in a form appropriate to your belief system. A devotee of Krishna might have a similar experience, but in blue.
I'd been a Christian for 6 years already. If I was subconsciously expecting visitations from Jesus, wouldn't they be likely to occur each time I got myself into the appropriate 'state'? That's one viewpoint anyway.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageOoh, now that's taking things in a whole new direction. Probably more than I can usefully respond to at this moment.
For me you had a genuine experience which manifested in a form appropriate to your belief system. A devotee of Krishna might have a similar experience, but in blue.
Although, now that you say that, I don't recall 'seeing' Jesus in the sense that I could tell you what colour his skin was. It was more a sense of presence than of physical detail.
I think. After all, this was 10 years ago now. Maybe it's just my memory not retaining the image, because the presence was more important.
Anyway, that would in theory fit with your proposition. There might be other theological reasons for disagreeing with you, but I'll have to think on that. And maybe consult the 'book of lies'...