Originally posted by Bosse de NageUhm... maybe you misunderstood me (or your explanation went waaay over my head or my question wasn't very clear), but I was questioning the perspective from which you could claim a Christian and Hare Krishna would have genuine experiences.
That would depend on the quality of the experience and the structure of the belief system, not to mention your perspectives of interpretation. Central nervous coding: analogies of time. Brain weather. Lightning shooting out your ass. A quiet day in the library.
Originally posted by HalitoseOr music
Uhm... maybe you misunderstood me (or your explanation went waaay over my head or my question wasn't very clear), but I was questioning the perspective from which you could claim a Christian and Hare Krishna would have genuine experiences.
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Originally posted by KellyJayGetting back to The Word of God (the bible), Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God, so Jesus is the embodiment of all the attributes of God the Father.
What are you looking for the physical description of God?
Kelly
Originally posted by damage79Yes, but if you use that to say God is 5'7'', 85 pounds with olive skin and a birthmark over his right shoulder:
Getting back to The Word of God (the bible), Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God, so Jesus is the embodiment of all the attributes of God the Father.
(a) would it be right?, and
(b) is that actually useful information?
That's what the 'physical description' of Jesus is. It says nothing about his character, his purpose, his passions and all the other attributes that truly define a person.
Originally posted by orfeoMore important than the physical attributes that Jesus displayed are the characteristics he displayed, which also portray God the Father to us.
Yes, but if you use that to say God is 5'7'', 85 pounds with olive skin and a birthmark over his right shoulder:
(a) would it be right?, and
(b) is that actually useful information?
That's what the 'physical description' of Jesus is. It says nothing about his character, his purpose, his passions and all the other attributes that truly define a person.
meekness (having all power but in His mercy not enforcing deserved judgement upon us), humility, serving others, loving everyone, showing mercy and compassion. These charactersitics that Jesus lived out are a display of who God is
Originally posted by damage79I agree. I'm only said what I did because the post you originally quoted referred to physical description.
More important than the physical attributes that Jesus displayed are the characteristics he displayed, which also portray God the Father to us.
meekness (having all power but in His mercy not enforcing deserved judgement upon us), humility, serving others, loving everyone, showing mercy and compassion. These charactersitics that Jesus lived out are a display of who God is
Originally posted by orfeoFirst of all, let me applaud you for having the bravery to share your 'experiences' with God.
If you could read more than one post at a time, you wouldn't be exasperated. The previous post was only necessary because of your inability to grasp more than one idea at a time.
Here's one of my personal experiences of God. Writing something in my blog that a close friend read on the day she was contemplating suicide. I'm not going to explain exactly wh ...[text shortened]... tic as you claim our attempts at defining God and our experience of him have been.
That done, I would hate to disappoint you, so here comes the critical analysis.
1. "Writing something in my blog that a close friend read on the day she was contemplating suicide. I'm not going to explain exactly what I wrote, or why, or how incredibly important it was to her ability to carry on with life."
I am not sure quite how this constitutes an experience with God? Are you saying he guided your hand? Did you feel him dictating your words or controlling your hand? The details are too sketchy to comment on, except for to speculate that the reason you were able to write something to save her life was that you knew here well (she was a close friend) and subconsciously you guessed her problem and gave a solution or words of comfort. Your subconscious is not God.
2. "Being in a place of deep despair last Saturday night and being prayed with by the one person in the room who was in a position to understand certain parts of what I was going through."
Again, I don't see how this constitutes an experience with God? Birds of a feather flock together, so no wonder your friends are also God botherers wasting their breath praying to a non-existent entity. Having been brain washed like you, s/he is bound to understand you.
3. "Being prayed for by two people and having the sensation that Jesus is standing right in front of me, both arms outstretched and holding me."
Apart from the obvious fact that this is an experience of Jesus and not God, you later accept that the 2 people were each holding your hands with one of theirs. You merely imagined that it was Jesus. It was wishful thinking. Had you been Muslim, you would have imagined it to be Allah. More brain washing.
All in all, your examples of 'experiences' are extremely weak and offer no proof whatsoever. In fact they were hardly worthy of mention.
Pathetic.
Is this why no-one bothers to recount their 'experiences'; because they realise how they fail to stand upto objective scrutiny?
Originally posted by howardgeeObjective? Did you just claim to be objective? ROTFL!!! 😵😵😵
First of all, let me applaud you for having the bravery to share your 'experiences' with God.
That done, I would hate to disappoint you, so here comes the critical analysis.
1. "Writing something in my blog that a close friend read on the day she was contemplating suicide. I'm not going to explain exactly what I wrote, or why, or how incredibly im ...[text shortened]... experiences'; because they realise how they fail to stand upto objective scrutiny?
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageMan, you musta eaten some powerful chilli.
That would depend on the quality of the experience and the structure of the belief system, not to mention your perspectives of interpretation. Central nervous coding: analogies of time. Brain weather. Lightning shooting out your ass. A quiet day in the library.
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Originally posted by howardgeeEveryone who is not an atheist is a brainwashed fool?
Objective, yes.
Only a brain washed fool like you would fail to agree with that.
Everyone who disagrees with you is also a brainwashed fool?
The founders of religions were crazy? (i.e. Jesus, Siddhartha, Mohammad.)
Mr. Gee, its almost like you want to be verbally abused by everybody on this forum.
P.S. I took some liberties with my third statement, but I can't imagine that Howard would disagree with it. After all, he isn't a brainwashed fool.
Originally posted by howardgee1. I had no idea what was going on. The friend in question lives thousands of kilometres away in another country. And it seemed incredibly important that I write in my blog, so yes, I regard God as having told me what to say.
First of all, let me applaud you for having the bravery to share your 'experiences' with God.
That done, I would hate to disappoint you, so here comes the critical analysis.
1. "Writing something in my blog that a close friend read on the day she was contemplating suicide. I'm not going to explain exactly what I wrote, or why, or how incredibly im ...[text shortened]... experiences'; because they realise how they fail to stand upto objective scrutiny?
2. The room was full of Christians - I was at church! As usual, you're missing the point. The praying wasn't the point. WHAT was prayed was the point.
3. This criticism is blindingly obvious and has already been discussed without your particular brand of venom attached.