Denying the Holy Spirit

Originally posted by galveston75
"The more people he can get to believe his nonsense and go along with him the more arrogant and powerful he feels about his false belief."

Sorry buddy. I'm not being mean, really, but just can't pass this one up. But this kinda fits in with the trinity and how ones portray themselves that insist that it is in the Bible and you will die and burn in hell if you don't accept it.... Maybe? A little? Yeah I think so. 🙂

The Athanasian Creed
Written against the Arians. (The Watchtower Society adopted the old Arian heresy)

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal. As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords, but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords.

The Father is made of none: neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before or after other; none is greater or less than another; But the whole three Persons are coeternal together, and coequal: so that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped. He, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is, that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of His mother, born in the world; Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood; Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but one Christ: One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking the manhood into God; One altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven; He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty; from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give an account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire.

This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
... apart from its illegal in any enlightened society.

if giving your kid a hiding is illegal, then training (with rolled up newspaper) a dog is precisely the same thing, surely rugby will become illegal too?

The world is becoming a place of sissies. Those rules do not apply to me. My kid knows how to respect others and she knows our values. I bet if I leave my kid just to do as she pleases, she'll become a moron just like this kid on youtube we're discussing.

Originally posted by sonhouse
You theists need to get your head out of your collective assses, you live by fear. Fear of your god, fear of retribution for being born in sin, a despicable concept in itself, fear of devils, demons and the like, you haven't advanced one bit from 2000 years ago. This is the 21st century and theism is going down each year. You are eventually going to be left ...[text shortened]... stence all by yourself while the real world advances beyond the need for fear filled religions.

Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about.
What makes you think we live in fear of God, or fear from born in sin or fear of devils? We have Christ in our hearts (figuratively speaking if you know what it means). If He is for me, who can be against me?

We serve a God that must be feared, it isn't meant for the believer, it's meant for the sinner.

You have it the other way around. With the rapture, YOU will be left with your fear filled existence not knowing what the heck just happened to you. Hopefully THEN you can get your stubborn head out of your butt and see the world in a different good way.

I am curious why you have said we have not advanced in the last 2000 years?
The oldest books/scripts in the world is evidence of religion, we have documented stories of God way before and after Christ was born. Those people actually observed it and wrote it down.

It makes me laugh to think that people think the world came into existence without God or a God, and that it was all by pure luck or chance. No one THEN observed or documented this matter, but you make people believe matter created all of this?

If you are thinking the world is getting any better, you are making a mistake. The world is going under, and if you understood the Bible as Christians do, it is clear that we are very near the end.

Originally posted by galveston75
But then why is he being this way? What examples did the parents set or not set? Children usually copy their parents in many things and their respect to authority whether it is towards their own parents, authority figures or even God is set in place by the parents.

2 Timothy 2:20-22
Good News Translation (GNT)

20 In a large house there are dishes ...[text shortened]... hese things and especially set the correct examples, this guidance will usually never fail them.

I blame the parents.

It is clear the parents are having the same battles. Look, if the kid doesn't believe in God it is a real shame from my point of view. The manner the kid spoke towards a religious group of people reflects the same attitude of that of his parents.

This has been proven over and over again, hence my reason to put the blame on the parents.

I have met kids about the same age as this kid who are pure atheists, but at least have proper manners and respect other for believing different. Cases like this are very rare as my experience has taught me almost all atheists have absolute no respect towards anybody.

Originally posted by Agerg
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We have one more spot remaining! 😞

YES!!! I can't believe it, my name is there, right on top........ MAN am I proud! Praise God!