Dependencies for 'Chrisitan' salvation

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok so if everyone has broken God's laws how can anyone get into Heaven?

If a religion - and spirituality more broadly - is not about about striving to be a good person and living one's life as righteously as possible - here on earth (as it were) in this lifetime - then it seems to me to be about nothing of any practical use whatsoever.

Originally posted by Suzianne
You should probably preface all following arguments like this with Christians with the warning that you intend to use every questionable argument known to you to attempt to make anyone reading think it's acceptable to deny Christ and salvation.

Of course it's "acceptable" to disagree with what Christians claim - or "deny Christ and salvation", as you put it. People's beliefs are a matter of personal conscience. And this is a forum on which to debate them and disagree or agree as necessary. As I have said many times before, if belief in Christ and "salvation" gives you comfort and purpose in life then good for you. And if it results in you acting in a morally sound way, then I welcome that morally sound behaviour. I am, as always, a staunch supporter of freedom of religion and freedom of worship.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I wonder if now divegeester will thank you for careening his thread so totally off the tracks that no one knows just what the heck it was ever about.

The discussion Fetchmyjunk and I have been having has been about the ideas surrounding the Christian notion of "salvation" and not "so totally off the tracks" at all. Perhaps you have not actually read the conversation that has taken place.

Originally posted by FMF
If a religion - and spirituality more broadly - is not about about striving to be a good person and living one's life as righteously as possible - here on earth (as it were) in this lifetime - then it seems to me to be about nothing of any practical use whatsoever.

From your perspective why should people strive to live righteously? Do you believe in an afterlife of sorts or is this life on earth all there is in your book?

Also what would you consider as being 'as righteously as possible'? Who decides what that standard is? Are some people able to live more righteously than others? Are people going to be judged by different standards ? What do you base all of this on? Just a gut feeling? Why do you think that your gut feeling is superior to what is written in the Bible?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
From your perspective why should people strive to live righteously? Do you believe in an afterlife of sorts or is this life on earth all there is in your book?

From your perspective why should people strive to live righteously?

Because we are humans and social creatures who live communally and rely upon each other.

Do you believe in an afterlife of sorts or is this life on earth all there is in your book?

Have you really forgotten that you already asked me this in the last day or two and that I answered it?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]From your perspective why should people strive to live righteously?

Because we are humans and social creatures who live communally and rely upon each other.

Do you believe in an afterlife of sorts or is this life on earth all there is in your book?

Have you really forgotten that you already asked me this in the last day or two and that I answered it?[/b]

Also what would you consider as being 'as righteously as possible'? Who decides what that standard is? Are some people able to live more righteously than others? Are people going to be judged by different standards ? What do you base all of this on? Just a gut feeling? Why do you think that your gut feeling is superior to what is written in the Bible?

Ps: I remember asking you about the afterlife but don't recall reading your reply.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk

Also what would you consider as being 'as righteously as possible'?

Trying to behave in a morally sound way.

Who decides what that standard is?

Nations. Societies. Communities. People. Neighbourhood. Families. Individuals. Many people in many cultures use religious texts to decide what the standards are. But, ultimately, the standards are cultural things.

Are some people able to live more righteously than others?

Of course.

Are people going to be judged by different standards ?

Huh? "Judged" by whom?

What do you base all of this on? Just a gut feeling?

Yes, as I have already explained. Do you not remember our conversation within the last 48 or so hours?

Why do you think that your gut feeling is superior to what is written in the Bible?

Well I don't place any particular value on ancient Hebrew mythology/folklore. It is no more or less relevant or significant to me than Muslim or Hindu ideology, although my Christian past makes the teachings of Jesus more interesting to me than that of other religious figures. I don't see how the notions of "superior" or "inferior" come into it. If your adoption and subscription to ancient Hebrew mythology and its Christian offshoot results in you behaving in a morally sound way - and you need it - then that's good.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Also what would you consider as being 'as righteously as possible'? Who decides what that standard is? Are some people able to live more righteously than others? Are people going to be judged by different standards ? What do you base all of this on? Just a gut feeling? Why do you think that your gut feeling is superior to what is written in the Bible?

Why are you repeating the same questions over and over again?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I remember asking you about the afterlife but don't recall reading your reply.

Oh, OK. So be it.

Originally posted by FMF
Why are you repeating the same questions over and over again?

That guy is the most annoying poster I have come across. Every day you will have to repeat what you told him yesterday .. 🙂

Originally posted by Rajk999
That guy is the most annoying poster I have come across. Every day you will have to repeat what you told him yesterday .. 🙂

Is it a deliberate debating technique of some kind? 😛

Originally posted by FMF
Is it a deliberate debating technique of some kind? 😛

Probably. He cannot impress you with his knowledge or intellect so he just annoys you with his poor memory.

Originally posted by FMF
[b]Also what would you consider as being 'as righteously as possible'?

Trying to behave in a morally sound way.

Who decides what that standard is?

Nations. Societies. Communities. People. Neighbourhood. Families. Individuals. Many people in many cultures use religious texts to decide what the standards are. But, ultimately, the standards are ...[text shortened]... an offshoot results in you behaving in a morally sound way - and you need it - then that's good.[/b]

So where does the God that you have a gut feeling about fit into all of this?

Originally posted by FMF
Why are you repeating the same questions over and over again?

You missed them with your first post.

Originally posted by Suzianne
How courageous for you to say this to my face.

I've been telling you, to your face, as it were, literally for years, that I find your mostly content-free caustic wham-bam posting and your ~ for the most part ~ refusal (or inability) to engage anyone you disagree with properly, to be a major disappointment which you seem incapable of reflecting upon and changing. I didn't need to be "courageous" to tell you this time and time again, as I have. 😉