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I have a question for you.
First a little backround. Now you really seem not to want to explain how the Father and the Son are the Divine "We" in John 14. And you don't seem to want to explain the plural pronoun "Us" in John 17.
Have you considered also that Jesus strongly indicated that He and the Father were "two" as well as one?
First we see that He and His Father are one:
" I and the Father are one." (John 10:40)
But consider John 8:17,18
"And in your law also it has been written that the testimony of two men is true:
I am One who testifies concerning Myself, and the Father who sent Me testifies concerning Me." (John 8:17,18)
Based on this passage am I justified to believe that the Father and the Son are "one" and the Father and the Son are also "two" ?
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if it was good enough for Jesus Christ to relate "two" to Him and His Father, why is it a not for me?
Jesus spoke of "We" and of "Us" and of "two" in relation to He and the Father.
Is there some strong dogma that dictates these passages should be erased from my Bible? Why "No" above ?
Originally posted by sonshipHusband and wife are one and also two.
Divegeester, since this thread has your name I have a question for you.
First a little backround. Now you really seem not to want to explain how the Father and the Son are the Divine "We" in John 14. And you don't seem to want to explain the plural pronoun "Us" in John 17.
Have you considered also that Jesus strongly indicated that He and the Father ...[text shortened]... that the Father and the Son are [b]"one" and the Father and the Son are also "two" ?[/b]
Christ and disciples are one and also many
God and Christ are one and also two.
All still separate and distinct entities
ONE does not mean one and the same. It means oneness.
Originally posted by Rajk999I'll come back to your post after I see what Divegeester has to explain his "No".
Husband and wife are one and also two.
Christ and disciples are one and also many
God and Christ are one and also two.
All still separate and distinct entities
ONE does not mean one and the same. It means oneness.
I want his thoughts on this first.
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Originally posted by sonshipdivegeesters a one hit wonder.
I have a question for you.
First a little backround. Now you really seem not to want to explain how the Father and the Son are the Divine "We" in John 14. And you don't seem to want to explain the plural pronoun "Us" in John 17.
Have you considered also that Jesus strongly indicated that He and the Father were "two" as well as one?
First we see t ...[text shortened]... that the Father and the Son are [b]"one" and the Father and the Son are also "two" ?[/b]
