Do any ideas expressed on this forum qualify as "evil"?

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KellyJay's rhetorical contortions ~ and how his pridefulness / recurring lack of discursive courage blinds him to the feebleness or incoherence of his own arguments and stances ~ is all certainly interesting [and it keeps me discussing things with him because the way religious faith can distort one's intellectual behaviour is fascinating] but, also interestingly, these ideological and moral weak spots are not the reason I lost my faith.

@fmf said
I have now corrected this numb riff of yours for the umpteenth time and answered a whole slew of other questions head-on. So how about you answer my question? Do any ideas expressed in the course of debates and discussions on this forum qualify as "evil" according to your own definition?

BUMP for KellyJay

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Have you ever tried seeking the God Who actually Exists, instead of whatever imaginary "god" conforms to your puny, narcissistic expectations?

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Terminology like "heretic" and "blasphemer" being bandied about [as "debating points"] by regurgitation-mode Christians ~ like KellyJay, sonship, josephw and Philokalia ~ giving you the sanctimonious "benefit" of their rote learning - doesn't really mean anything beyond them depicting themselves in the way that they choose to.

@fmf said
Terminology like "heretic" and "blasphemer" being bandied about [as "debating points"] by regurgitation-mode Christians ~ like KellyJay, sonship, josephw and Philokalia ~ giving you the sanctimonious "benefit" of their rote learning - doesn't really mean anything beyond them depicting themselves in the way that they choose to.

Always good to see you and Dive conversing between yourselves, as if you are the last two people in the world.

@fmf said
There is no "north" that applies to everybody. It is you who "seriously doesn’t get" what my stance is.

If you don't have any notion of what your own "right north" is, then so be it. It's a matter for you.

If your moral compass makes you believe calling someone a fool is "evil" when mine doesn't then ok, obviously we disagree about the definition of "evil".

What is the real world upshot of this?

You are in a whole universe that says otherwise, we have perspectives that relate
just to us, but what is to my right is not the same thing as it is for you if we are
facing another direction. North for all on this planet no different from one another
regardless of which way we are facing, and from time to time we could be facing
the same direction even in a different place. Regardless if we cannot tell where
north is because we got turned around, so that we cannot tell east from west,
north from south, but those true directions are there anyway.

We are not the center of the universe, the whole doesn't revolve around us, and
we are not fixed points.

Our notions of what is right and wrong, what should we do when even our notions
of what is right become in conflict with each other as they can, how to decide then,
what we use when doing the right thing is a choice between two right things,
or what is wrong in one case may now be right in another, that is the true moral
north. It is not some static rules we may have, some of which only apply to us.

@kellyjay said
You are in a whole universe that says otherwise, we have perspectives that relate
just to us, but what is to my right is not the same thing as it is for you if we are
facing another direction.

The "whole universe says" what, KellyJay?

@kellyjay said
North for all on this planet no different from one another
regardless of which way we are facing, and from time to time we could be facing
the same direction even in a different place.

A moral compass has nothing to do with magnetic waves. A moral compass has nothing to do with the phenomenon in physics known as "north".

You are mixing up what a moral compass is with what a little gadget with a magnetized piece of metal in it is.

You are torturing an analogy.

@kellyjay said
Our notions of what is right and wrong, what should we do when even our notions
of what is right become in conflict with each other as they can, how to decide then,
what we use when doing the right thing is a choice between two right things,
or what is wrong in one case may now be right in another, that is the true moral
north. It is not some static rules we may have, some of which only apply to us.

Our notions of what is right and wrong, what should we do when even our notions of what is right become in conflict with each other as they can, how to decide then, what we use when doing the right thing is a choice between two right things, or what is wrong in one case may now be right in another, that is the true moral north. It is not some static rules we may have, some of which only apply to us.

Our moral compasses are what give us ...

our notions of what is right and wrong,

what we should do when we and our notions come into conflict with each other,

how we decide what we should do,

what do when there is a choice between two right things,

and discern what is wrong in one case compared to what may be right in another.

This is EXACTLY what our moral compasses are for.

And when the actions and conflicts and harm are serious, we can get society to arbitrate and punish through the processes of its legal system.

@kellyjay said
We are not the center of the universe, the whole doesn't revolve around us, and
we are not fixed points.

We are not the centre of the universe, true, the whole universe doesn't revolve around us, true, but our each and every personhood is a particular finite individual entity - a fixed point, if you want, that occupies a space in this universe - and that needs to interact as best as we can - given our individual consciences, characters, cultural settings and experiences - with other individual sentient entities. And THAT's why we need moral compasses and it's obvious why they are all different.

@fmf said
The "whole universe says" what, KellyJay?

There is only an up down from a fixed point, north on the planet is the same place
regardless of where you standing, we are not the center of it, absolutes remain
absolutes even if they are denied.

@fmf said
We are not the centre of the universe, true, the whole doesn't revolve around us, true, but our each and every personhood is a particular individual entity - a fixed point, if you want - that needs to interact as best as we can - given our consciences, character, cultural setting and experience - with other individual sentient entities. And THAT's why we need moral compasses and it's obvious why they are all different.

Our opinions can be and more times than not, different, but if evil isn't the same
for everyone, it is only a human construct.

@kellyjay said
There is only an up down from a fixed point, north on the planet is the same place
regardless of where you standing, we are not the center of it, absolutes remain
absolutes even if they are denied.

Your application of this theory to your moral outlook, via your moral compass, is an example of "nurture" at work inside you.

It is a perspective you have absorbed from your human environment. Your subjective theist notions help shape your morality. And that's just as it should be.

You can refer to this religious dogma-based set of moral sensibilities as "north" and as "the same north for everyone" until the cows come home.

@kellyjay said
Our opinions can be and more times than not, different, but if evil isn't the same
for everyone, it is only a human construct.

Well, I've answered a whole slew of your questions head-on.

So how about you answer my question now?

Do any ideas expressed in the course of debates and discussions on this forum qualify as "evil" according to your own definition/opinion?