Does anyone belive in the bible literally?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
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Originally posted by mikelom
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Originally posted by RJHinds
All of it teaches truth. But I believe some is to be taken literally in the way it
presents the truth, like God creating the earth, and others like the parables
of Jesus, which may also represent a literal situation but are not intended to
be taken completely literal in order to get the true message from it. I think
part of the Garden of Eden story may ...[text shortened]... he story of
Samson is most likely in this category of presenting truth in an entertaining
way.

Let's see if I understood you correctly... Hmm...

Okay, everything is true in genesis, except those things that is not exactly the truth but just parables.

So seeing the creation of life is a parable for the evolution theory is correct...? Talking snakes is a parable for snakes using their body language for telling us that they are dangerous...? Is brothers killing eachother also a parable for 'love your brothers, but not too much'...?

Bottom line - May I interprete the words in genesis, which is true and wich is parables, and wich is mythology, myself? Or do someone else decide for me?

Thank you for taking me serious, and not just as a difficult sob.

Originally posted by RJHinds
All of it teaches truth. But I believe some is to be taken literally in the way it
presents the truth, like God creating the earth, and others like the parables
of Jesus, which may also represent a literal situation but are not intended to
be taken completely literal in order to get the true message from it. I think
part of the Garden of Eden story may ...[text shortened]... he story of
Samson is most likely in this category of presenting truth in an entertaining
way.

So the bottom line is each person reading this bible can interpret it in any way he or she chooses, right?

Originally posted by sonhouse
So the bottom line is each person reading this bible can interpret it in any way he or she chooses, right?

Yes, you can and you should, but that does not mean you will have the
intended meaning of the author. So, I would recommend running your
interpretation by as many knowledgeable people on the subject as you
can for critique to refine your interpretation and understanding.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, you can and you should, but that does not mean you will have the
intended meaning of the author. So, I would recommend running your
interpretation by as many knowledgeable people on the subject as you
can for critique to refine your interpretation and understanding.

So, any one believeing in God believing that the evolution is the greatest maracle created by God, and the Genesis describes evolution in a way that the people from those days could understand, i.e. as parables, is alright doing so?

And this is where I wanted to come eventually.

I hope I get a 'yes' from you in this matter.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Let's see if I understood you correctly... Hmm...

Okay, everything is true in genesis, except those things that is not exactly the truth but just parables.

So seeing the creation of life is a parable for the evolution theory is correct...? Talking snakes is a parable for snakes using their body language for telling us that they are dangerous...? Is ...[text shortened]... eone else decide for me?

Thank you for taking me serious, and not just as a difficult sob.

Okay, I will take you seriously and I hope you will take my reply seriously,
since I do not always communicate my ideas effectively so others can
understand them; but I will try.

First you should read the whole Bible through once and see what is all
there. You will not understand everything, that is for sure. But then
you will have a foundation to start with. If you try too hard to understand
Genesis from the very beginning, you will get stumped and will not finish
reading the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey used to say.

Once you have done that you should go back and look at the parts you
want to understand in more detail. I believe it is a good idea to get your
own ideas as to what you think it is saying rather than just relying on
someone to tell you from the beginning. Because then it becomes hard
to think of it in any other way than you have been indoctrinated. This,
of course does not mean your own understanding is going to be what
the author intended and in many cases it will not be, but you will, at
least, know that your view is not influence by some false religious
teaching from the very beginning. If you are already an atheist, you
will bring that viewpoint with you; but try to look at it with an open
mind if you can. If you can't, then you will at least know what is in
the Bible when you argue against it to believers.

As you pointed out some believers have no problem with the evolution
theory in the way I do, since they view the Holy Bible in a different way
and see no conflict with the earth being billions of year old. These are
things you need to see if you can work out with discussing the topic
with others who have knowledge of what the Holy Bible says in contrast
with what evolutionists say. You will have to check it all out with what
you see written in the scriptures and determine for yourself what you
believe to be true.

I hope I have not confused you with my explanation. I wish you well
on your quest to understand the Holy Bible, for it will be hard work.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I advise you to read the Holy Bible
before you start asking questions on the contents. Wouldn't you
do the same before askiing guestions on the contents of any other
book. It makes you look foolish to ask questions when you have
very little idea what is written in the book.

This post is laughable. I was going to leave this alone, thinking someone else would call you on your hypocricy. I really like the part where you say it is foolish to ask questions when you know little about the book. You do this all the time when talking about evolution. You admit to everyone that you have read the introduction to a couple of the books, and you got a good idea of what they were about from them.

You don't think this makes you look like a complete moron? I'd advise you to practice what you are preaching before you tell people they are asking stupid questions about a book they might not have read. Chances are he has read more of the Bible than you have a book on evolution, or any other book requiring an open mind.

I can't believe you would post this drivel, and expect to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by usmc7257
This post is laughable. I was going to leave this alone, thinking someone else would call you on your hypocricy. I really like the part where you say it is foolish to ask questions when you know little about the book. You do this all the time when talking about evolution. You admit to everyone that you have read the introduction to a couple of the books, an n open mind.

I can't believe you would post this drivel, and expect to be taken seriously.

You have the right to see anyone you wish as a hypocrite. But I am not
an evolutionist and do not want to be, so I see no need to read about it,
since I do not intend to prove that theory wrong. I am a creationist and
concentrate on proving creation true because it agrees with my biblical
view. I think the DNA evidence does that. Evolution seems to me to
be no more than adaptation passed on through reproduction. I have
never encountered any real proof of evolution. In the past when I have
investigated claims of proof of evolution, it turned out to be adaptation
or mutation, which is even worse proof. Like I said, there is no need
for me to read books on evolution since they provide no proof but only
theory and speculation on things I already know is untrue.

P.S. Why would I ask questions on evolution? I already know there is
no such thing.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Okay, I will take you seriously and I hope you will take my reply seriously,
since I do not always communicate my ideas effectively so others can
understand them; but I will try.

First you should read the whole Bible through once and see what is all
there. You will not understand everything, that is for sure. But then
you will have a foundation to s ...[text shortened]... nation. I wish you well
on your quest to understand the Holy Bible, for it will be hard work.

Thank you for your answer.

There are two things that I object to:

(1) You say I am indoctrinated. That is offending. You don't like me telling you that you are indoctrinated and your opinions aren't worth much because of that. Offending? Yes. Don't say such things if you want to have respect yourself. You too have to respect others beliefs as you want me to respect yours. I think that was a slip from your side, and therefore we don't have to continue discuss this slip further.

(2) You want me to read the whole bible, not once, but enough times to understand it. I would like to understand Islam too, do you think I have to read all the Quaran to understand Islam? Do I, in the same sense, have to read all the Vedas to understand Hinduism too? Etc. Of course not. I think I can understand christian beliefs if I give the right questions, and get the right answers. That's all, nothing more. If I ask ten different christians the same question, and from them get ten different answers, then it gives me the impression that Christianity is at least ten separate religions. My problem is to find out which one is the correct one. That is why I ask, ask, and ask again.

My next important question to you is this:
Is it possible to accept evolution as being the correct description about the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Thank you for your answer.

There are two things that I object to:

(1) You say I am indoctrinated. That is offending. You don't like me telling you that you are indoctrinated and your opinions aren't worth much because of that. Offending? Yes. Don't say such things if you want to have respect yourself. You too have to respect others beliefs as you wa the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

My next important question to you is this:
Is it possible to accept evolution as being the correct description about the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

Yes. In my opinion.

And I really don't think the book of Genesis should be taken as an exhaustive scientific description of HOW God created life.

There is an ascendency of life and consciousness there from "low" to "high". It is apparent that some kind of pyramid of life and conciousness is being developed. But I think the main thing being conveyed is that MAN is at the top of this pyramid of living creatures as the highest life.

Anyway, I diverge. In my opinion accepting Evolution as an biological theory shouldn't stop one from loving Christ and living in the realm of the Spirit of Christ.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Thank you for your answer.

There are two things that I object to:

(1) You say I am indoctrinated. That is offending. You don't like me telling you that you are indoctrinated and your opinions aren't worth much because of that. Offending? Yes. Don't say such things if you want to have respect yourself. You too have to respect others beliefs as you wa the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

I did not say you were already indoctrinated. I meant I wanted you to
read the Bible and determine what it says yourself before taking the
word of someone else who would indoctrinate you into a certain way
of thinking before you had a chance to make your own decision on
what it says. If you consider youself already indoctrinated then that
is too bad.

If you do not read the Holy Books yourself you will only understand
what someone tells you about it. They may be right or wrong and
they may add to and subtract form the teaching. How are you to
know?

To answer your question on accepting evolution and still being a
good Christian, it would only be my opinion. Is that what you want?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Thank you for your answer.

There are two things that I object to:

(1) You say I am indoctrinated. That is offending. You don't like me telling you that you are indoctrinated and your opinions aren't worth much because of that. Offending? Yes. Don't say such things if you want to have respect yourself. You too have to respect others beliefs as you wa ...[text shortened]... the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

Just a note Fab, its Offensive, not offending. "He told me I looked like a dog which was offensive to me". "I think I may be offending him when I told him he looked like a dog".

Originally posted by jaywill

My next important question to you is this:
Is it possible to accept evolution as being the correct description about the variety of life on this Earth, and at the same time being able to be a good christian?

Yes. In my opinion.

And I really don't think the book of Genesis should be taken as an exhaustive scientific description o ory shouldn't stop one from loving Christ and living in the realm of the Spirit of Christ.

Is it your opinion that you only have to believe what Christ says to be a good
Christian? That is, do you believe you do not have to believe everything that
is written in the Holy Bible, such as the creation of the heavens and the earth,
to be a good Christian? How far back can your belief in evolution go before it
interfers with being a good Christian or do you believe it is totally irrelevant?

Originally posted by RJHinds
What I told Wolfgang59 also applies to you. Read all of it and you will
not have to ask foolish questions. I am getting tired of answering them.

what you said to wolfgang and fmf applies to you. read the bible so that you can correctly answer any criticisms brought up. otherwise you risk sounding foolish (too late for you).