Does God have the right to kill?

Originally posted by LemonJello
Why do you ask? If you are interested in that question, I suppose you can just look to the historical record for answers. That's irrelevant to this discussion. Again, earth to KellyJay: we are supposed to be hypothetically discussing possible reasons that would serve in some capacity as legitimizers for certain actions of God at issue.

One point tha ...[text shortened]... bel against a king...since there are conceivable instances of tyranny and abuse of kingly power.

Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation? It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical! A ruler of any time in their own
kingdom has rights, those rights are not dependent upon if they are thought
of as good or bad, go to North Korea right now and shoot you mouth off
there against that leader in front of the powers that be, and discover if the
ruler over there does not have rights to do with you as he sees fit!

You want to judge the actions as if you deeming of the actions are right or
wrong has something to do with the answer to does a ruler have rights. The
ruler can be good or bad, but that doesn't stop the ruler from being a ruler.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation? It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical! A ruler of any time in their own
kingdom has rights, those rights are not dependent upon if they are thought
of as good or bad, go to North Korea right now and shoot you mo ...[text shortened]... ights. The
ruler can be good or bad, but that doesn't stop the ruler from being a ruler.
Kelly

You're comparing God to North Korea?

Originally posted by LemonJello
Why do you ask? If you are interested in that question, I suppose you can just look to the historical record for answers. That's irrelevant to this discussion. Again, earth to KellyJay: we are supposed to be hypothetically discussing possible reasons that would serve in some capacity as legitimizers for certain actions of God at issue.

One point tha ...[text shortened]... bel against a king...since there are conceivable instances of tyranny and abuse of kingly power.

You may rebel against a ruler, that doesn't stop a ruler from being a ruler.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You're comparing God to North Korea?

I'm talking about rulers, good or bad rulers does not have anything to do
with the question.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation? It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical! A ruler of any time in their own
kingdom has rights, those rights are not dependent upon if they are thought
of as good or bad, go to North Korea right now and shoot you mo ...[text shortened]... ights. The
ruler can be good or bad, but that doesn't stop the ruler from being a ruler.
Kelly

Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation?

Sorry you found it condescending. Anyway, I thought we were already having a conversation.

It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical!

But this discussion is, at bottom, about the hypothetical. So if your question has nothing to do with the hypothetical, then how can it be important to the discussion? Anyway, your question is easily addressed as already stated: go look at the historical record if you want answers to that particular question.

go to North Korea right now and shoot you mouth off
there against that leader in front of the powers that be, and discover if the
ruler over there does not have rights to do with you as he sees fit!

I'll only state this one more time: this discussion does not hinge on whether or not God has the power to carry out the actions at issue, since everyone already takes that on assumption from the get-go; rather, this discussion has to do with consideration of reasons that would serve as legitimizers for the actions at issue.

Originally posted by LemonJello

Why don't you stop being to damn condescending and just have a
conversation?

Sorry you found it condescending. Anyway, I thought we were already having a conversation.

It is the most important question in this discussion that has
nothing at all to do with the hypothetical!

But this discussion is, at bottom, about ...[text shortened]... s to do with consideration of reasons that would serve as legitimizers for the actions at issue.

God is not hypothetical, that said it is still a matter of a ruler being able
to rule. The right of law is on a rulers side, the right of might would be
on God's side as well. The right of being able to do with His own is God's
side. You seem to be concern about the "right" actions of God as if that
were to void out God's right to rule.

Who are the legitimizers? Again, anyone may rebel, not liking a ruler as
Satan did could rebel. You may join the rebellion, or simply remain a part
of it. The laws of the Kingdom will be broken while a rebellion may go on,
and unless you can unseat a sitting ruler you will be found outside the law
of the Kingdom and if you are unable to unseat the ruler will be condemned
by the ruler. I don't think you or anyone is going to unseat God as ruler
of the universe and disliking how things are in the Kingdom does not at
all void God's right to rule as He sees fit.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
God is not hypothetical, that said it is still a matter of a ruler being able
to rule. The right of law is on a rulers side, the right of might would be
on God's side as well. The right of being able to do with His own is God's
side. You seem to be concern about the "right" actions of God as if that
were to void out God's right to rule.

Who are the l ...[text shortened]... g how things are in the Kingdom does not at
all void God's right to rule as He sees fit.
Kelly

Well, I think what you have helped establish here is that your God has as much as right to sanction wholesale genocide upon His creatures as North Korea does to inflict cruel punishment on persons for acts of otherwise free speech. Sounds about right to me....

Originally posted by LemonJello
Well, I think what you have helped establish here is that your God has as much as right to sanction wholesale genocide upon His creatures as North Korea does to inflict cruel punishment on persons for acts of otherwise free speech. Sounds about right to me....

If you want to talk about acting in righteousness and justly that is
another topic altogether.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you want to talk about acting in righteousness and justly that is
another topic altogether.
Kelly

No it is not. Again, check out the context in which this thread was conceived.

But, sure, let's talk about the justice and righteousness that attends the sanctioning of mass killing and genocide....

Originally posted by KellyJay
God is not hypothetical, that said it is still a matter of a ruler being able
to rule. The right of law is on a rulers side, the right of might would be
on God's side as well. The right of being able to do with His own is God's
side. You seem to be concern about the "right" actions of God as if that
were to void out God's right to rule.

Who are the l ...[text shortened]... g how things are in the Kingdom does not at
all void God's right to rule as He sees fit.
Kelly

Just because a fascist is omnipotent does not make him any less worthy of contempt. To kneel before such a creature is a terrible way to spend eternity.

Originally posted by Soothfast
Just because a fascist is omnipotent does not make him any less worthy of contempt. To kneel before such a creature is a terrible way to spend eternity.

"To kneel before such a creature is a terrible way to spend eternity."

Our finite minds can't grasp the reality of time without an end point; all of us have a few short years to prepare for it.

Originally posted by LemonJello
No it is not. Again, check out the context in which this thread was conceived.

But, sure, let's talk about the justice and righteousness that attends the sanctioning of mass killing and genocide....

The question is does God have the right to kill, if you want to change
that to does God have the right to kill only in ways we deem acceptable,
than I suggest you start another tread with a different title.
Kelly

Originally posted by LemonJello
No it is not. Again, check out the context in which this thread was conceived.

But, sure, let's talk about the justice and righteousness that attends the sanctioning of mass killing and genocide....

Everyone will die, everyone...you have a start you have an end.
The whole processes is setup by God, who can as the Creator and
sustainer of all things end them as He sees fit. You wish to discuss
the fact that God does this and you don't like the way some people
die? I assume if they died in bed sleeping that would have been okay?

I read it, it is still God doing what God wants the way God wants to
do things. He gives us our lives, and when we were first started, He told
us we were going to go back to the dust too. You were never promised
tomorrow, nor was anyone else by God, so if God ends your life, mine, or
millions it is His call. He is not a man like us, but the giver of life too.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The question is does God have the right to kill, if you want to change
that to does God have the right to kill only in ways we deem acceptable,
than I suggest you start another tread with a different title.
Kelly

No, the question here is the following. For God's actions of directing and sanctioning mass killing, genocide, and the like (as described under literal interpretation of your divine accounts), can we think of any reasons that would serve as justifiers for these actions? Clearly, you have no substantive input here (except to say that such things will be divulged to you, supposedly, on judgment day). So, alrighty then....