@KingDavid403
I've given my Christian Worldview and position on this question to all.
I've given scriptures to support this thread. I have answered almost all possible questions on this subject in one post or another here. I hope that the readers here can learn from it; whether One believes it or not.
Not much more to say except repeated augments. I'll keep a look out for anything new.
God Bless, you all.
@fmf saidNo. You have not even come close.
It does not entitle me; it does enable me.
I really have not gone into depth on my true stance on the statement or subject above.
So your version of "Christianity" enables you to casually assert things - having admittedly not given the stance much thought - about the "salvation" of someone who DOES believe in Jesus - even though you admit that you are not entitled to do it?
Have I understood your self- justification correctly?
@kingdavid403 saidI do not believe there is any "salvation". I believe death is the end. And so your assertions about not needing to believe in Jesus are meaningless to me.
lol... Interesting. I feel like I'm being accused of apostasy or hearsay from an Atheist. Interesting for sure.
You got any theory's?
@kingdavid403 saidWell, you're not. Words like apostasy, heresy and blasphemy are used to describe what theists think about deviations from their religions. I am not a theist and I am not a religionist.
lol... Interesting. I feel like I'm being accused of apostasy or hearsay from an Atheist.
-Removed-I have given you two rock solid scriptures supporting the position that a person needs to believe in Jesus in order to be saved;
Yes, you have.
you have rejected both for various convoluted and Hebrew/OT prophet existential reasons none of which address the core premise of what is stated in those scriptures.
I have not rejected anything.
There are dozens more...
Yes, there are.
And in concession to your reaching to the salvation of the prophets I will offer you this:
1 Peter 1 : 10-11
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.
Nice.
Now, again, if someone is truly and diligently seeking God, but they don't know Jesus yet, are they still saved at that time?
This is my question to you and others here; and, no one here has clearly answered this simple question.
I clearly know no one is saved except by Jesus; I'm asking about someone who is truly seeking God but does not know Jesus yet.
Does God's mercy, love, and forgiveness, still cover them and save them?
Can you or anyone else here tell me that this person is going to hell because they do not know Jesus yet? Even tho they're diligently seeking God?
Scriptures please?
Simple really.
@kingdavid403 saidBased on personal experience, and without saying anything new or controversial [I think], I would define Christians as I did in the OP of this thread: Thread 184586
You got any theory's?
So, more to the point, I would say I think a "Christian" is someone who believes these things apply to them and also believes that these same things apply to ALL people who live in the hope of "salvation".
Now, again, if someone is truly and diligently seeking God, but they don't know Jesus yet, are they still saved at that time?
This is my question to you and others here; and, no one here has clearly answered this simple question.
I clearly know no one is saved except by Jesus; I'm asking about someone who is truly seeking God but does not know Jesus yet.
Does God's mercy, love, and forgiveness, still cover them and save them?
Can you or anyone else here tell me that this person is going to hell because they do not know Jesus yet? Even tho they're diligently seeking God?
Scriptures please?
Simple really.
Anyone?