1. Subscribersonhouse
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    23 Feb '15 20:43
    What would the religious bunch do then, if it were proven none of that crap exists?
  2. Standard memberKellyJay
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    23 Feb '15 20:48
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What would the religious bunch do then, if it were proven none of that crap exists?
    I'm not sure what you think would be different! If there isn't any God, gods,
    or demons now as you believe than nothing would be different than what
    it is now, the only difference would be what is going on between the ears
    of people nothing more. Since people have shown the ability to use anything
    they can to do what they will as in become a teacher to be near children,
    or acquire power over others to push their will on them to the nth degree
    that would not change we would still live in a world where you have people
    doing what they will to get what they want when they want it.
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I'm not sure what you think would be different! If there isn't any God, gods,
    or demons now as you believe than nothing would be different than what
    it is now, the only difference would be what is going on between the ears
    of people nothing more. Since people have shown the ability to use anything
    they can to do what they will as in become a teacher to ...[text shortened]... in a world where you have people
    doing what they will to get what they want when they want it.
    The question was not what the religious bunch would do if there was no [G]od (the current state of affairs), it was what the religious bunch would do if it was proved there was no [G]od.

    In the latter of these different cases you would have that lots of people who have been frothing at the mouth in excited anticipation of the magical wonderland in store for them when they die will figure out they are actually going to get jack, nothing, nada, zilch, centre of a donut, sweet F.A,... They wasted their lives bowing down to kiss the arse of a figment of their imagination and some of them, i.e. the fundies, made themselves look f***ing stupid whilst they were at it.

    I can imagine many of you theists would be pretty p!ssed. Indeed, I'm sure crime rates all over the world would skyrocket as the stupid among you (again, mainly fundies), suddenly find themselves without a "reason to behave".
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    23 Feb '15 21:25
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I'm not sure what you think would be different! If there isn't any God, gods,
    or demons now as you believe than nothing would be different than what
    it is now, the only difference would be what is going on between the ears
    of people nothing more. Since people have shown the ability to use anything
    they can to do what they will as in become a teacher to ...[text shortened]... in a world where you have people
    doing what they will to get what they want when they want it.
    Well it would obviously not affect atheists so is your opinion of theists?
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    23 Feb '15 21:26
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Since people have shown the ability to use anything
    they can to do what they will as in become a teacher to be near children,
    ....
    Where do you get this crap?
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    23 Feb '15 21:31
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What would the religious bunch do then, if it were proven none of that crap exists?
    I think the majority would join human based cults, because they seem to need to be told how to think and act by others.
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    23 Feb '15 21:53
    Originally posted by Agerg
    The question was not what the religious bunch would do if there was no [G]od (the current state of affairs), it was what the religious bunch would do if it was [b]proved there was no [G]od.

    In the latter of these different cases you would have that lots of people who have been frothing at the mouth in excited anticipation of the magical wonderland in st ...[text shortened]... stupid among you (again, mainly fundies), suddenly find themselves without a "reason to behave".[/b]
    They would act like everyone else, they are after all people. You think that
    religious people are some how different than others they are not. The fact
    that some would change their minds would allow them to do what they will
    when they will without the binders their faith puts on them. If there isn't
    a God, or gods there would be nothing but their personal morals to stop
    them. They would change their minds to accept or deny as their wills and
    desires lead them.

    What do you think would happen? I think that there are more people that
    are not very religious but do restrain themselves due to it, that once those
    restraints are let loose would be, bothersome for the rest of us. There are
    drug dealers, gang bangers, and so on that have faith, you remove that
    then they too will without restraint act upon their own desires as they see
    fit. I think the fundies would be the least of your concern, it is those that
    are currently doing evil deeds that have some restraint that would loose it
    all would be even more of an issue.
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    23 Feb '15 22:07
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    They would act like everyone else, they are after all people. You think that
    religious people are some how different than others they are not. The fact
    that some would change their minds would allow them to do what they will
    when they will without the binders their faith puts on them. If there isn't
    a God, or gods there would be nothing but their person ...[text shortened]... ing evil deeds that have some restraint that would loose it
    all would be even more of an issue.
    I would rather see honest thuggery than sinister religious scams.
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    They would act like everyone else, they are after all people. You think that
    religious people are some how different than others they are not. The fact
    that some would change their minds would allow them to do what they will
    when they will without the binders their faith puts on them. If there isn't
    a God, or gods there would be nothing but their person ...[text shortened]... ing evil deeds that have some restraint that would loose it
    all would be even more of an issue.
    You know, the strange thing is here, I actually agree with you for once (your first paragraph at least). Most theists would indeed continue to be good (they'd still be p!ssed off I'll wager) because it is, as you say, part of their personal morality to be good independent of whether it is claimed some [G]od character advises them to be good (and I expect deep down, most theists sort of know their morality doesn't actually come from [G]od at all).

    I think the most restraint comes from those who *do* genuinely believe morality comes from [G]od - those who see no other reason to be good other than the reward for compliance, or the punishment for transgression. Those who lack the facility to actually think about why it is good to be good for its own sake, who lack the facility to critically think about anything. And it is typically those types of people who will opt for the most simplistic, and least nuanced system of faith - namely fundamentalism. It is those people who scare me simply because though there are indeed drug-dealers, gang bangers and such, if I keep my head down, don't draw too much attention to myself, don't purposely put myself in harm's way, and so on ... I can usually avoid them (I've been stolen from and such, but no one has tried to murder me just for $h!ts and giggles yet).

    Unleash the idiots however ... 😲
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    23 Feb '15 22:37
    It's the same as with any human belief system.

    If historical precedent is a guide (for example, the demise of geocentrism) the issue that undermined the ideology would be, perhaps gradually and with pockets of resistance, reinterpreted or dismissed as unimportant.
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    23 Feb '15 23:37
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What would the religious bunch do then, if it were proven none of that crap exists?
    I dunno, behead you maybe?
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    23 Feb '15 23:38
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I would rather see honest thuggery than sinister religious scams.
    You don't like it when wolves dress as sheep?
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    24 Feb '15 05:31
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I would rather see honest thuggery than sinister religious scams.
    What is honest thuggery?
  14. Standard memberKellyJay
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    24 Feb '15 09:49
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I would rather see honest thuggery than sinister religious scams.
    If both are evil why attempt to make one better than the other?
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    24 Feb '15 10:03
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    ... the only difference would be what is going on between the ears
    of people nothing more.
    An interesting admission that God is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.
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