Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]"So I reject you off the cuff pseudo statistics that all Christians are no more moral than non-Christians."
I cited no statistics so why the assertion that I did? This is dishonest.
"This passage shows that eternal life is a matter of enjoyng God."
In the passage you cite, no where is it stated that "eternal life is a matter of enjo the distorted view that remains with one whose belief system has left the ego intact.[/b]
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I cited no statistics so why the assertion that I did? This is dishonest.
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I think the dishonesty is on your side. Of not statisics then off the cuff generalities.
To put out your opinion as loose statistical generalities is bias and less than honest on your part.
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"This passage shows that eternal life is a matter of enjoyng God."
In the passage you cite, no where is it stated that "eternal life is a matter of enjoying God." The passage shows nothing of the sort. Jesus says absolutely nothing of "enjoyment". The fact that you tried to assert otherwise is also dishonest.
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The passage does not mentione
eternal life per se. But when you compare it to chapter 4 it is very obvious that the Spirit as water is entirely related to eternal life.
Compare:
John 4:14 - "But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall by no menas thirst forever, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water gushing up into eternal life."
John 7:37 - ... If anyone thirst, let him come unto Me and drink. He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.
But this He said concerning the Spirit ..."
Also we know the water is Spirit in chapter 4 because Jesus says that the Father desires worship in Spirit and in truth.
In both passages the Spirit is symbolized by waters. And in both passages the flow of the Spirit is thirst quenching. And
eternal life is explicitly mentioned in
John 4:14. The Spirit will gush up into eternal life.
So your superficial familiarity with John's writing is the problem and not any sneaky exegesis on my part.
Incidently, the Spirit is called
"the Spirit of life" (Rom 8:2).
That English life is ZOE in Greek - the divine and eternal life.
Also the Spirit gives life
(John 6:63, 2 Cor. 3:6).
And the last Adam [Christ] became a life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45)[/b]
So you see, you are just still ignorant.
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So if the ego has been "crucified" in you and replaced with Christ, whence springs your dishonest?
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Where did I ever use the word "replace?" In addition to your ignorance you are also a liar.
If you want to be frank about this.
The vessel containing the life of Christ is not a matter of replacement but indwelling. That is why I spoke of Paul saying
"It is Christ who lives IN me."