Originally posted by @thinkofone Rajk999's point was that "Jesus said absolutely nothing about believing [b]in His death or any similar nonsense.
When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways:
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of ...[text shortened]... e them to mean to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" or what have you. [/b]
Originally posted by @thinkofone lol. Man, you can be dense.
"Dense" about what? Your "point" is not difficult to get. I get your "point". You have making this distinction between actually overcoming "evil and wickedness" and trying to overcome "evil and wickedness" ~ and, indeed, the ideology of not having to overcome "evil and wickedness" because 'it can't be done' ~ for a decade or more across maybe hundreds and hundreds of threads. Your "point" is clear. It is not "the point" I wish to discuss.
Originally posted by @chaney3 You guys aren't Bible scholars. You're just offering your own interpretation, both of you.
Why are you right?
Because we can cite any number of passages wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" in the ways that I delineated. Whereas you cannot cite any wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms speaking of "believing in His death or any similar nonsense".
If you can cite passages wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" speaking of "believing in His death or any similar nonsense", then do so.
Originally posted by @thinkofone When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways:
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of e them to mean to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" or what have you.
In “the words of Jesus”, he claims that he is sent from God. Was he correct?
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22 Aug '18 01:46
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