Originally posted by @thinkofoneAbsolutely
It often seems like poor reading comprehension skills are a prerequisite for believing in "salvation by faith alone".
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNicely said
Rajk999's point was that "Jesus said absolutely nothing about believing [b]in His death or any similar nonsense.
When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways:
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God
2) Believe that His words are the word of ...[text shortened]... e them to mean to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation" or what have you. [/b]
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou guys aren't Bible scholars. You're just offering your own interpretation, both of you.
Spoken like someone unable to logically refute what either of us have been posting.
Why are you right?
Originally posted by @rajk999If a person doesn't believe in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, then are they a Christian?
Please quote somewhere in the bible where Jesus says to believe in his death and resurrection.
And....didn't Jesus go out of His way to "prove" His resurrection to the disciples so that they would believe it really happened?
Originally posted by @thinkofone"Dense" about what? Your "point" is not difficult to get. I get your "point". You have making this distinction between actually overcoming "evil and wickedness" and trying to overcome "evil and wickedness" ~ and, indeed, the ideology of not having to overcome "evil and wickedness" because 'it can't be done' ~ for a decade or more across maybe hundreds and hundreds of threads. Your "point" is clear. It is not "the point" I wish to discuss.
lol. Man, you can be dense.
Originally posted by @chaney3Did Jesus say someone must be a Christian?
If a person doesn't believe in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, then are they a Christian?
And....didn't Jesus go out of His way to "prove" His resurrection to the disciples so that they would believe it really happened?
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Originally posted by @chaney3Because we can cite any number of passages wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" in the ways that I delineated. Whereas you cannot cite any wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms speaking of "believing in His death or any similar nonsense".
You guys aren't Bible scholars. You're just offering your own interpretation, both of you.
Why are you right?
If you can cite passages wherein the context makes it clear that Jesus used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" speaking of "believing in His death or any similar nonsense", then do so.
