Originally posted by @fmf While I see the relevance, I personally am not interested in the distinction you wish to discuss with people. What I am interested in, though, is the notion of "Grace" - the idea that "forgiveness" renders "evil and wickedness" 'not the issue' ~ instead the issue is 'belief'. My previous comment about the imaginary umbrella illustrates the angle I am interested in.
We live by grace in heaven. Its an indication of the type of 'existence' that the 'poor in spirit' can expect to fulfill. . . .As far as the end of this life is concerned there is no easy way to say it: you will have to suffer to get to this state of grace. Living righteously will keep you in good stead always.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczel We live by grace in heaven. Its an indication of the type of 'existence' that the 'poor in spirit' can expect to fulfill. . . .As far as the end of this life is concerned there is no easy way to say it: you will have to suffer to get to this state of grace. Living righteously will keep you in good stead always.
As ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
Originally posted by @fmf As ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
You were asking about grace. Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers
Originally posted by @fmf As ever, you are entitled to assert whatever you want to. Living righteously for me is about the most satisfying and effective way of relating to other people in the years between infancy and death. I have no use for plucked-from-thin-air claims about "heaven" and a "state of grace" or eternal life.
Living righteously will keep me "in good stead" for what?
good stead for dealing with your suffering on your way to heaven.
What are you a child? Even I run out of patience eventually!! Heaven: As refferred to in the Christian bible as the eternal destination for the 'poor in spirit' . Nirvana. The 5th dimension. ok?
Originally posted by @fmf So you are appropriating the Christian terminology: "grace"? When you use it does the word mean the same as it does when Christians use it?
Yes . I am using it in the Christian context as I understand it. As you know,not all Christians agree on the meaning of words and texts from the holy bible so I'm not expecting any Christians to back me up here.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczel What are you a child? Even I run out of patience eventually!! Heaven: As refferred to in the Christian bible as the eternal destination for the 'poor in spirit' . Nirvana. The 5th dimension. ok?
Originally posted by @karoly-aczel Yes . I am using it in the Christian context as I understand it. As you know,not all Christians agree on the meaning of words and texts from the holy bible so I'm not expecting any Christians to back me up here.
So you believe you are forgiven your "sins" - a kind of undeserved gift - because the Romans executed a Jewish rabbi?
Originally posted by @rajk999 Jesus was crystal clear. If you want eternal life then keep the comcommandments. Jesus said absolutely nothing about believing in His death or any similar nonsense. Evil people will gravitate to whatever doctrine they think gets them off the hook and relieves them of the requirement of living righteously and doing good works.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -- John 3:16, KJV
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