05 Sep 14
[1] What actual deterrent effect [and behaviour modification effect] do you think the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has on people who don't think any such thing happens and do not subscribe to the belief system that includes this supposed punishment or fate?
[2] If the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has no deterrent effect [in terms of behaviour] on non-believers, what would be the actual purpose of torturing billions of these non-believers for eternity in burning agony rather than simply allowing their existence to end?
Originally posted by FMFGood questions which I have no answer for...
[1] What actual deterrent effect [and behaviour modification effect] do you think the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has on people who don't think any such thing happens and do not subscribe to the belief system that includes this supposed punishment or fate?
[2] If the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has no det ...[text shortened]... non-believers for eternity in burning agony rather than simply allowing their existence to end?
1. In my opinion, it would cause "some" to fear God, but not a biblical fear (reverence). I would say more of a dread of torture and not love.
2. Good question. It gives God a characteristic which I do not believe He has.
I know where you are going with this and I have to say, I agree with you..
05 Sep 14
Originally posted by checkbaiterI am mindful of the fact that not all Christians subscribe to a belief in the "being tortured for eternity in burning agony" theology.
Good questions which I have no answer for...
1. In my opinion, it would cause "some" to fear God, but not a biblical fear (reverence). I would say more of a dread of torture and not love.
2. Good question. It gives God a characteristic which I do not believe He has.
I know where you are going with this and I have to say, I agree with you..
Originally posted by FMFHell is separation from God.
I am mindful of the fact that not all Christians subscribe to a belief in the "being tortured for eternity in burning agony" theology.
I don't know what all this entails, but I'm sure it is not good. How could it be?
Those that follow Jesus have no fear of hell, and those who do not don't believe hell exists.
Granted, there may be those who have never heard the message.
Originally posted by FMF[1] None
[1] What actual deterrent effect [and behaviour modification effect] do you think the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has on people who don't think any such thing happens and do not subscribe to the belief system that includes this supposed punishment or fate?
[2] If the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has no det ...[text shortened]... non-believers for eternity in burning agony rather than simply allowing their existence to end?
[2] It proves to the believer that God hates sin and does not lie, but keeps His promises, forever.
05 Sep 14
FMF: "[1] What actual deterrent effect [of] the threat of being tortured for eternity ...on people who don't think any such thing happens?"What is the point of a deterrent that is not credible?
Originally posted by RJHinds
[1] None
What is the point of a deterrent to people who tell themselves they are not going to "heaven" because Jesus has already atoned for their "sins"?
whodey says "Those that follow Jesus have no fear of hell". So who exactly is the deterrent supposed to deter?
Originally posted by FMF
What is the point of a deterrent that is not credible?
What is the point of a deterrent to people who tell themselves they are not going to "heaven" because Jesus has already atoned for their "sins"?
whodey says "Those that follow Jesus have no fear of hell". So who exactly is the deterrent supposed to deter?
So who exactly is the deterrent supposed to deter?
Apparently those that believe it. It may be part of the process of dividing the sheep from the goats or the wheat from the chaff.
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
(Matthew 3:12 KJV)
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for Satan and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Matthew 25:31-33, 41, 46 KJV)
Originally posted by FMFThe only effect it has is to put people off the Gospel.
[1] What actual deterrent effect [and behaviour modification effect] do you think the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has on people who don't think any such thing happens and do not subscribe to the belief system that includes this supposed punishment or fate?
[2] If the threat of being tortured for eternity in burning agony has no det ...[text shortened]... non-believers for eternity in burning agony rather than simply allowing their existence to end?
Originally posted by FMFYou are assuming a few things here.
But "Hell" is for punishing "sin" ~ yes? ~ and those that follow Jesus are "sinners". What is the point of the notion or threat of "Hell" for those who follow Jesus if they do not fear it?
1. Hell is not simply a natural state once rejecting God.
2. There are other alternatives to rejecting God that are not as bad.
3. The Soul can be destroyed, that is, what JW"s believe will happen.
I don't believe "hell" to be actual fire as we know it. To think that would be to believe that Satan and his demon followers were human like us instead of spiritual beings.
05 Sep 14
Originally posted by whodeyWell if you don't believe in the supposed reality of "being tortured for eternity in burning agony" for being an unbeliever/"sinner", then the OP is not aimed at your beliefs. There are several Christians here who do believe in the "eternal torture" ideology; this OP is a reference to their beliefs.
I don't believe "hell" to be actual fire as we know it.