eve and her std's

Originally posted by FMF
Other areas of advancement/progress causing reasons for optimism: civil society, health, education, human rights, environmental awareness, literacy, falling infant mortality, falling maternal mortality, life expectancy, participation and democracy, rule of law, decrease in violence etc. Progress, reasons to be positive? "Yes". Is galveston75's JW take on the sta ...[text shortened]... he world and the human condition persuasive in the face of all the evidence? No, I think not.

LOL, despite he fact that we have made incredible medical advancements , some somewhere dies of lack of nutrition like every thirty seconds or something horrendous like that, it would be a rather easy and mundane affair to go through this list and point out the disparities. The Gman i think is far more balanced in his appraisal of progress.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
why is it offensive to for me to suggest eve had stds, when you believe she and adam are the root cause of cancer, malaria, rape, pedophilia, violence all mental and physical deformities and anything else created by sin. galveston even agreed that adam and eve were the cause of std's.


'as i to have our religious beliefs trod on by such a portrayal' are being questioned. it feels like you are desperate to play the victim card today robbie.

sorry we believe that Adam is what? indirectly responsible for paedophilia? on the contrary, we believe that Adam brought sin into the world, paedophilia seems to me to be a purely evil and deliberate act. Sin is not always deliberate and may be involuntarily incurred often against the will of the perpetrator. Your point of view appears to me to be rather distorted. Stating that STD's are a consequence of imperfection and sickness and stating that Eve had STD's are not one and the same thing.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, despite he fact that we have made incredible medical advancements , some somewhere dies of lack of nutrition like every thirty seconds or something horrendous like that, it would be a rather easy and mundane affair to go through this list and point out the disparities. The Gman i think is far more balanced in his appraisal of progress.

Well, unless you do "go through this list and point out the disparities" why should anyone believe that you are presenting a "far more balanced [...] appraisal of progress"?

Originally posted by FMF
Well, unless you do "go through this list and point out the disparities" why should anyone believe that you are presenting a "far more balanced in his appraisal of progress"?

Indeed, why should they, but i need to go to work, sorry.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sorry we believe that Adam is what? indirectly responsible for paedophilia? on the contrary, we believe that Adam brought sin into the world, paedophilia seems to me to be a purely evil and deliberate act. Sin is not always deliberate and may be involuntarily incurred often against the will of the perpetrator. Your point of view appears to me to be ...[text shortened]... ce of imperfection and sickness and stating that Eve had STD's are not one and the same thing.

so you think its okay to say eve it the root cause of stds but it is offensive to suggest she may have had them?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so you think its okay to say eve it the root cause of stds but it is offensive to suggest she may have had them?

Eve and sin and disease are not one and the same thing.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sorry we believe that Adam is what? indirectly responsible for paedophilia? on the contrary, we believe that Adam brought sin into the world, paedophilia seems to me to be a purely evil and deliberate act. Sin is not always deliberate and may be involuntarily incurred often against the will of the perpetrator. Your point of view appears to me to be ...[text shortened]... ce of imperfection and sickness and stating that Eve had STD's are not one and the same thing.

do you believe that pedophilia is a result of the existence of sin?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Eve and sin and disease are not one and the same thing.

how did sin form? where did sin get its ability to manipulate the physical world? is sin responsible for it self or is it guided by the hearts of man?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Eve and sin and disease are not one and the same thing.

did eve create sin? or did it already exist, was it waiting to be released?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
fine, but you are attacking his personality rather than the points that I raised.

I disagree with galveston75's and your negative version of the state of the world and the human condition. It has been discussed many a time in detail. You seem to want to dismiss my disagreement as some kind of "attacking his personality" thing. Others might interpret this as you trying to play me rather than play the ball in this discussion.

Originally posted by FMF
I disagree with galveston75's and your negative version of the state of the world and the human condition. It has been discussed many a time in detail. You seem to want to dismiss my disagreement as some kind of "attacking his personality" thing. Others might interpret this as you trying to play me rather than play the ball in this discussion.

No it has nothing to do with anyone's propensity for attacking personalities, our point of view is simply more balanced as it not only recognises that advancement has been made, but that despite the advancement there are certain incontrovertible realities which still mar humanity and it is my opinion that they are spiritual in nature.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
did eve create sin? or did it already exist, was it waiting to be released?

Eve did not create sin, it came as a consequence of independence from God.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No it has nothing to do with anyone's propensity for attacking personalities...

But you claimed I was "attacking his personality". How can you now claim that "it has nothing to do with anyone's propensity for attacking personalities"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
our point of view is simply more balanced as it not only recognises that advancement has been made, but that despite the advancement there are certain incontrovertible realities which still mar humanity and it is my opinion that they are spiritual in nature.

There has been advancement and progress. There are still problems. This is exactly my view too. Why is mine "not balanced" and yours "more balanced"?

Originally posted by FMF
But you claimed I was "attacking his personality". How can you now claim that "it has nothing to do with anyone's propensity for attacking personalities"?

attacking personalities has nothing to do with the issue at hand, has it.