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Originally posted by RBHILLWhy do you believe that?
It could be but in some way everyone sins everyday.
Why do you believe it more than the word of Jesus?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe WHOLE Bible is Gods world. But did you know today I sinned by going faster then the speed limit. But I have already repented of braking the law. I dishonored my prents by saying I hate them to myself. those are examples. But yes I ask God for help daily.
If Jesus is your Lord, I'd think you'd take His word above anything else.
Originally posted by RBHILLRead the passage again. Jesus says to continue in His word, not the word of the Bible. "The truth will make you free".
The WHOLE Bible is Gods world. But did you know today I sinned by going faster then the speed limit. But I have already repented of braking the law. I dishonored my prents by saying I hate them to myself. those are examples. But yes I ask God for help daily.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAccording to Jesus you can be made free from committing sin.
According to Jesus you can be made free from committing sin.
John 8:32-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone ...[text shortened]... r; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."
Originally posted by knightmeister"Commits" is translated from "Poieo" which translates to "to make" or "to do". See below.
According to Jesus you can be made free from committing sin.
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But he does NOT say explicitly that we can be made sinless so that we never sin again. As a wise man said to me recently - WE JUST DON'T KNOW!
EG-If "commiting" sin and sinning are two distinct things then your pre ...[text shortened]... n of these passgaes? Could it be that they don't explicitly say what you want them to say?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneFair enough. This may just be a cul-de-sac. But isn't Poeio a Greek word? I thought that Jesus spoke Aramaic/Hebrew.
"Commits" is translated from "Poieo" which translates to "to make" or "to do". See below.
So Jesus does explicitly say that one will be made free from "making" / "doing" sin. Your argument about the thief is purely speculation as to the motivation for Jesus saying what He does when Jesus does not explain His motivation. If and only if Jesus directly ...[text shortened]... institute, the celebration of the passover
5. to perform: to a promise
Originally posted by knightmeister"Many scholars believe that Mark's Gospel was written in Aramaic, and only later translated into Greek, and some believe that other portions of the New Testament were also originally written in Aramaic or Hebrew. This may or may not be true, but it is true that the only New Testament materials we have today are all in Greek."
Fair enough. This may just be a cul-de-sac. But isn't Poeio a Greek word? I thought that Jesus spoke Aramaic/Hebrew.
My limited understanding of these things is that the most accurate translations and interpretations relate back to and refer to the original as much as possible.
Can you explain why it wasn't translated as "he who (does) sins is it won't be too long before someone who knows more about these things puts me straight.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou missed the most important point. It's not what the NT was written in that's important - it's what language Jesus actually spoke that is. He didn't speak Greek as far as I understand it , and being a Jew steeped in scripture and the rest of it he would have been familiar I guess with the words below , and less familiar with "poeio".
"The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek."
http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/content/what-was-original-language
It's as if you just toss out whatever lame idea pops into your head.
Why do you work so hard to deny the teachings of Jesus instead of just accepting them?
Originally posted by knightmeisterLike I said:
You missed the most important point. It's not what the NT was written in that's important - it's what language Jesus actually spoke that is. He didn't speak Greek as far as I understand it , and being a Jew steeped in scripture and the rest of it he would have been familiar I guess with the words below , and less familiar with "poeio".
If you look
http://www.theopedia.com/Greek_and_Hebrew_words_for_Sin
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm surprised that you say this. I have spent the last 20 minutes on the Net trying to find out what the actual words were that Jesus may have used. It's hard work if you go about it honestly. There are so many Greek and Hebrew verbs and adjectives out there for "sin" that it's difficult to know what words Jesus may have actually used in these passages.
Like I said:
"It's as if you just desperately toss out whatever lame idea pops into your head.
Why do you work so hard to deny the teachings of Jesus instead of just accepting them?"
All of your arguments are purely speculative and often wildly so. It's like arguing with a child who doesn't want to admit he's wrong and keeps saying, "Well maybe..."
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneBTW - Is there anything anyone has ever said here that has caused you to doubt your certainty?
Like I said:
"It's as if you just desperately toss out whatever lame idea pops into your head.
Why do you work so hard to deny the teachings of Jesus instead of just accepting them?"
All of your arguments are purely speculative and often wildly so. It's like arguing with a child who doesn't want to admit he's wrong and keeps saying, "Well maybe. ...[text shortened]... ldren they usually do.
Maybe you need to get in touch with that "inner child".