Evidence of Salvation

Originally posted by KellyJay
"Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right"
Kelly

Many a prayer meeting for this nation would have taken an entirely different tack if they had started with Lincoln's perspective.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
Many a prayer meeting for this nation would have taken an entirely different tack if they had started with Lincoln's perspective.

I agree, many times over we make our plans and ask God to bless
them, which is again the cart before the horse. What we should be
doing is praying for direction, then moving forward.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
C'mon KJ, who said anything about "perfect" or about what "God must accept"?

Hopefully you realize that some groups are much less reconcilable with righteousness than others. I don't think that the KKK is reconcilable with righteousness either. Do you think that the KKK is reconcilable with righteousness? Based on what you said here, it seems the answer would be, "Yes", because its just one of many flawed groups.

Sure, but at the same time none of them are "perfect" even our
churches. I'd point to the old saying, about looking for the prefect
church, if you find it, as soon as you join it will not be.
Kelly

Originally posted by Wulebgr
No one said they did.

I took the first post to mean that very thing. It certainly implied that "church people vote Republican." AZnd the gist of the conversation seems to be that this is considered "the norm" by people why obviously know very little about the political view of Christians.

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
I took the first post to mean that very thing. It certainly implied that "church people vote Republican." AZnd the gist of the conversation seems to be that this is considered "the norm" by people why obviously know very little about the political view of Christians.

You need a reading lesson:

Originally posted by Wulebgr
If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they vote Republican?

Let's try this. If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they cheat on their husbands?

Why do so many, some, any? Why does sin continue after the filling of the Holy Spirit?

The only thing odd or unusual about the initial statement is the association of voting Republican with sin.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Sure, but at the same time none of them are "perfect" even our
churches. I'd point to the old saying, about looking for the prefect
church, if you find it, as soon as you join it will not be.
Kelly

Can you clarify what you mean by "Sure"? I'm not sure which part of my post you meant for that to apply.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Sure, but at the same time none of them are "perfect" even our
churches. I'd point to the old saying, about looking for the prefect
church, if you find it, as soon as you join it will not be.
Kelly

oops

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Can you clarify what you mean by "Sure"? I'm not sure which part of my post you meant for that to apply.

I'll respond again to your post.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
C'mon KJ, who said anything about "perfect" or about what "God must accept"?

Hopefully you realize that some groups are much less reconcilable with righteousness than others. I don't think that the KKK is reconcilable with righteousness either. Do you think that the KKK is reconcilable with righteousness? Based on what you said here, it seems the answer would be, "Yes", because its just one of many flawed groups.

Some groups are worse than others, some are better than others,
some large movements have several bad people *by our standards*
and some good *by our standards*. So it isn't going to be difficult to
find some people in say the Republican party that dislike our President
just for the color of his skin, the same is true of his supporters there
are going to be some that approve of him just because of the color
of his skin neither of which has to do with work he is doing in office
only his race.

Like the discussion I had about churches awhile back I can go to an
Assembly of God and love everything about it, but in another state
another church I could think it cult like. Why, because though they
carry the same name it is filled with different people. So everyone
in my opinion that paints a large group of people as bad or good
for simply aligning themselves with a church or party isn't being very
wise in my opinion. If you have issue with specific doctrine or party
stances make that the subject of discussion not the people, I've been
apart of churches whose doctrine I was not in complete agreement
with, as a matter of fact I have not been in a church where I completely
agree with all of its foundational doctrines.

If there are parts of any group that is so bad it is completely so
distasteful for you it is completely irreconcilable, than you may have
some issues with both people and doctrine. If you are really only
talking about just two different ways to get to the same place, not so
much, because you have agreement at the end goal just not how to
get there.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Some groups are worse than others, some are better than others,
some large movements have several bad people *by our standards*
and some good *by our standards*. So it isn't going to be difficult to
find some people in say the Republican party that dislike our President
just for the color of his skin, the same is true of his supporters there
are going , not so
much, because you have agreement at the end goal just not how to
get there.
Kelly

This isn't about the actions of some individuals in a given group such as "some people in say the Republican party that dislike our President
just for the color of his skin". It's also not about "completely
agree[ing] with all of [a given groups] foundational doctrines".

The real issue is whether or not the platform / agenda / foundational principles / etc. of a given group can be so far removed from righteousness so as to be untenable. I believe the KKK is one such group. You haven't answered whether or not you believe the KKK is one such group.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
This isn't about the actions of some individuals in a given group such as "some people in say the Republican party that dislike our President
just for the color of his skin". It's also not about "completely
agree[ing] with all of [a given groups] foundational doctrines".

The real issue is whether or not the platform / agenda / foundational princip ...[text shortened]... ne such group. You haven't answered whether or not you believe the KKK is one such group.

There's only one sane answer to that one! I doubt whether the KKK could be considered tenable in any sense.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Why do so many support the death penalty?

Why do so many support war?

Why do so many choose to ostracize homosexuals?

Why do they continue to sin?

4. they cotinue to sin because you cant live a perfect life.

Originally posted by RBHILL
4. they cotinue to sin because you cant live a perfect life.

But, RB, these are sins that some call righteousness.

Originally posted by RBHILL
4. they cotinue to sin because you cant live a perfect life.

According to Jesus you can be made free from committing sin.

John 8:32-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free'?"
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
According to Jesus you can be made free from committing sin.

John 8:32-36
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone ...[text shortened]... r; the son does remain forever. So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."

It could be but in some way everyone sins everyday.