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    If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they vote Republican?
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    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they vote Republican?
    Why do so many support the death penalty?

    Why do so many support war?

    Why do so many choose to ostracize homosexuals?

    Why do they continue to sin?
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    They really don't believe what they believe in.
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    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they vote Republican?
    Because they are thinking instead of emoting?
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    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    If the Spirit of God fills believers, why do they vote Republican?
    Do not insult God like that, they vote for Republican, Democrat
    and others.
    Kelly
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Do not insult God like that, they vote for Republican and Democrat
    and others.
    Kelly
    C'mon KJ, an "insult to God"?

    Besides, I'd guess that what he is questioning how anyone could both be filled with the "Spirit of God" and support the platform of the Republican party.
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    15 Sep '09 00:131 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    C'mon KJ, an "insult to God"?

    Besides, I'd guess that what he is questioning how anyone could both be filled with the "Spirit of God" and support the platform of the Republican party.
    Yes, I think lining God up with any political group right or left wing or
    some other faction is an insult to God. I like how Abraham Lincoln
    coined it,
    "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right"
    Kelly
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yes, I think lining God up with any political group right or left wing or
    some other faction is an insult to God. I like how Abraham Lincoln
    coined it,
    "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right"
    Kelly
    Well, from what I can tell, wulebgr would agree with the Lincoln quote.

    It seems to me that he sees the Republican party as being so far from being "on God's side", so as to make voting Republican untenable. That point is largely valid.
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    Lincoln also said, "When the Know-Nothings get control, it [the Declaration of Independence] will read: "All men are created equal except negroes, foreigners and Catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." and modern Republicans are more Know-Nothings than Lincoln Republicans.
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Well, from what I can tell, wulebgr would agree with the Lincoln quote.

    It seems to me that he sees the Republican party as being so far from being "on God's side", so as to make voting Republican untenable. That point is largely valid.
    It is a small point, again do you see any party worthy of God?
    Kelly
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    It is a small point, again do you see any party worthy of God?
    Kelly
    I don't see a claim for a "party worthy of God". I see a commentary against a party. It's not a "small point". It's illogical to view a commentary against a given party as necessarily being a claim of another party being a "party worthy of God".

    Also I don't why you included the word "again" in your response. It's the first time you've asked that question.
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    I don't see a claim for a "party worthy of God". I see a commentary against a party. It's not a "small point". It's illogical to view a commentary against a given party as necessarily being a claim of another party being a "party worthy of God".

    Also I don't why you included the word "again" in your response. It's the first time you've asked that question.
    I reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
    one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
    was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
    due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
    what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
    Kelly
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Do not insult God like that, they vote for Republican, Democrat
    and others.
    Kelly
    I fully realize that some believers walk with their creator in faith and obedience, but an astounding number do vote Republican. Do you deny this?
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
    one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
    was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
    due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
    what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
    Kelly
    Take a deep breath and think about it.

    There is no claim of anything being "God worthy". No matter how much you insist there was, there just wasn't.

    It seems this is likely a case analogous to someone going to a restaurant that serves chili and stew. The individual declares he doesn't like the chili and you start ranting about how they like stew. It doesn't logically follow.

    Or are you trying to assert that it doesn't matter how people act or what they do since no one is "God worthy". Under that scenario a group of pedophiles would not be opposed. Is this what you're supporting?

    Like I said, take a deep breath and think.
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I reject all parties as worthy as I said I thought it an insult to say
    one was. You stressing your views on how bad the Republican party
    was only agreed with my point! We as a people are not worthy of God
    due to our sin nature, so our groups, no matter what they are, and
    what we claim they stand for will not be God worthy.
    Kelly
    Your view was common--the part about no parties being worthy, not the gross misreading that others have addressed--back in the 1970s when you and I were young men. Back then, most Christians did their best to keep their faith separate from politics. Then, Jimmy Carter, who was reputedly genuinely born again attracted Christians to politics, then he said those awful things about not wishing to impose his personal morality regarding abortion upon public policy, then Christians showed up en masse to support Ronald Reagan who had the virtue of a vague and quiet personal religion somehow connected to John 3:16, which he liked to quote while talking about his mother, and since then, God-talk has been the core of what politicos call the Republican Base. In the name of God, we have stripped the poor of their dignity, given their paltry belongings to the wealthy, fried to a crisp countless Muslims and Catholic freedom fighters, ...

    So, I ask again, how can anyone calling herself (or himself) a Christian, vote for Republicans? Why vote at all?
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