Evidence please

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What about it?

Are these traits and ethics you demonstrate here on this forum attributes that you picked up before the stuff found at that link [which you gave us ... http://www.ksb-alert.com/ ...] happened to you or during the years since that stuff stopped?

Originally posted by @fmf
Are these traits and ethics you demonstrate here on this forum attributes that you picked up before the stuff found at that link [which you gave us ... http://www.ksb-alert.com/ ...] happened to you or during the years since that stuff stopped?

What traits and ethics are you on about?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What traits and ethics are you on about?

The ones I have described to you in detail before, along with what I see as being the reasons for them [hence the link you gave us once when you were trying to explain away your behaviour - http://www.ksb-alert.com/ ]

Originally posted by @fmf
The ones I have described to you in detail before, along with what I see as being the reasons for them [hence the link you gave us once when you were trying to explain away your behaviour - http://www.ksb-alert.com/ ]

Whatever you say, Dr Phil.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Whatever you say, Dr Phil.

http://www.ksb-alert.com/ Some excerpts:

"True stories of broken people and destroyed families, of obscure traditions and rituals, of excessive beatings and virginity tests, of obscure credit transactions and diamond deals, of debts involving millions, of secret agent activities supporting the apartheid regime."

"Painful and, at times, extremely hurtful personal experiences, insights and observations have driven us to expose the dubious and disreputable practices of the mission that are even brutal and disregard human dignity."

"A dictatorial system, in which only submissive servants can live well. But where independent thinking and acting people are marginalised and stigmatised with military precision. Kwasizabantu has made itself God’s watchman who punishes any contraventions of written Old and New Testament rules as well as its own un-written laws, often with brutal harshness whereby respect of human dignity is ignored."

These are from a link that you offered the forum in your effort to explain to the forum what had happened to you.

Do you agree that these testimonies constitute evidence?

Originally posted by @fmf
http://www.ksb-alert.com/ Some excerpts:

"True stories of broken people and destroyed families, of obscure traditions and rituals, of excessive beatings and virginity tests, of obscure credit transactions and diamond deals, of debts involving millions, of secret agent activities supporting the apartheid regime."

"Painful and, at times, extremely hurtful ...[text shortened]... the forum what had happened to you.

Do you agree that these testimonies constitute evidence?

Evidence for what exactly?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Evidence for what exactly?

You offered it as evidence of what your life before you were 24 years old was like.

Originally posted by @fmf
You offered it as evidence of what your life before you were 24 years old was like.

OK, and you think Dive's behavior is 'normal' and mine isn't?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
OK, and you think Dive's behavior is 'normal' and mine isn't?

I think divegeester is more or less a normal guy, yes. [He's superstitious, but I can respect that.] On the other hand, I don't think you are, no ~ for the reasons I have given you before. He seems to have got under your skin by calling you a forum dick.

Originally posted by @fmf
I think divegeester is more or less a normal guy, yes. [He's superstitious, but I can respect that.] On the other hand, I don't think you are, no ~ for the reasons I have given you before. He seems to have got under your skin by calling you a forum dick.

Well you are entitled to your opinions and biases.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well you are entitled to your opinions and biases.

Did stuff like what we can read at http://www.ksb-alert.com/ [a link you offered the forum] take any toll on you? Are you unscathed?

Originally posted by @fmf
Did stuff like what we can read at http://www.ksb-alert.com/ [a link you offered the forum] take any toll on you? Are you unscathed?

Let me guess. When you ask me questions that we have discussed before it is 'normal' behavior, but when I ask you 'questions that we have discussed before' it is because I used to belong to a cult? 🙄

Dr Phil is on a roll.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Let me guess. ... blah blah

No need to guess. I am being upfront and totally clear. To my way of thinking, you quite clearly have some debilitating interpersonal difficulties that are in harness with some degree of intellectual impairment that I have already seen on occasion in young people who were victims of chronic and systematic abuse during my 30+ years as an educator. If you believe you emerged unscathed from 24 years in the circumstances described at http://www.ksb-alert.com/ then I hear what you say, but I don't think it can be true.

Originally posted by @fmf
No need to guess. I am being upfront and totally clear. To my way of thinking, you quite clearly have some debilitating interpersonal difficulties that are in harness with some degree of intellectual impairment that I have seen in young people who were victims of chronic and systematic abuse during my 30+ years as an educator. If you believe you emerged unscath ...[text shortened]... scribed at http://www.ksb-alert.com/ then I hear what you say, but I don't think it can be true.

Well if you were hoping that your insults would bother me, you are going to have to do better than that. 😞

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well if you were hoping that your insults would bother me, you are going to have to do better than that. 😞

The advice I am giving you is honest and offered in good faith. Make of it what you will.

When do you think you developed your interpersonal skills ~ such that you have ~ for engaging in conversations with non-Christians? Did you acquire those skills before the age of 24 (in my case, yes, I had learnt those skills before I was 24) or did you learn the skills/approach that you now employ during your post-cult life?