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    Who can anyone say that the intelligent designer, or the creator is loving and caring? This supernatural being is right on evil.

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-uv-aids-cancer-cells-blood.html

    Why has god created cancer? Even innocent children get cancer. Lethal cancer. Why?

    Is this a regrettable flaw in his creation or is the intelligent designer not so intelligent after all?

    What is the usual christian explanation of this evilness?
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    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Who can anyone say that the intelligent designer, or the creator is loving and caring? This supernatural being is right on evil.

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-uv-aids-cancer-cells-blood.html

    Why has god created cancer? Even innocent children get cancer. Lethal cancer. Why?

    Is this a regrettable flaw in his creation or is the intelligent d ...[text shortened]... igner not so intelligent after all?

    What is the usual christian explanation of this evilness?
    PT1 Comfort for Those Who Suffer

    OVER the centuries, the question of why God allows suffering has challenged many philosophers and theologians. Some have asserted that since God is all-powerful, he must ultimately be responsible for suffering. The writer of The Clementine Homilies, an apocryphal second-century work, claimed that God rules the world with both hands. With his “left hand,” the Devil, he causes suffering and affliction, and with his “right hand,” Jesus, he saves and blesses.
    Others, unable to accept that God could permit suffering even if he does not cause it, have chosen to deny that suffering exists. “Evil is but an illusion, and it has no real basis,” wrote Mary Baker Eddy. “If sin, sickness, and death were understood as nothingness, they would disappear.”—Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures.
    In the wake of the tragic events of history, especially from the first world war until our day, many have reached the conclusion that God is simply unable to prevent suffering. “The Holocaust has, I think, dismissed any easy use of omnipotence as an attribute appropriate to God,” wrote Jewish scholar David Wolf Silverman. “If God is to be intelligible in some manner,” he added, “then His goodness must be compatible with the existence of evil, and this is only if He is not all-powerful.”
    However, claims that God is somehow an accomplice to suffering, that he is unable to prevent it, or that suffering is a mere figment of our imagination offer scant comfort to those who suffer. And more important, such beliefs are utterly at odds with the just, dynamic, and caring God who is revealed in the pages of the Bible. (Job 34:10, 12; Jeremiah 32:17; 1 John 4:8)

    What, then, does the Bible say about the reason why suffering has been permitted?
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    How Did Suffering Begin?
    God did not create humans to suffer. On the contrary, he endowed the first human couple, Adam and Eve, with perfect minds and bodies, prepared a delightful garden to serve as their home, and assigned them meaningful, satisfying work. (Genesis 1:27, 28, 31; 2:8) However, their continued happiness depended on their recognizing God’s rulership and his right to decide what was good and what was bad. That divine prerogative was represented by a tree called “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” (Genesis 2:17) Adam and Eve would demonstrate their subjection to God if they obeyed his command not to eat from that tree.*
    Tragically, Adam and Eve failed to obey God. A rebellious spirit creature, later identified as Satan the Devil, convinced Eve that it was not in her best interests to obey God. In fact, God was supposedly depriving her of something highly desirable: independence, the right to choose for herself what was good and what was bad. Satan claimed that if she ate of the tree, ‘her eyes were bound to be opened and she was bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.’ (Genesis 3:1-6; Revelation 12:9) Seduced by the prospect of independence, Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, and Adam soon did the same.
    That same day, Adam and Eve began to experience the results of their rebellion. By rejecting divine rulership, they lost out on the protection and blessings that subjection to God had afforded them. God evicted them from Paradise and told Adam: “Cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground.” (Genesis 3:17, 19) Adam and Eve became subject to sickness, pain, aging, and death. Suffering had become a part of human experience.—Genesis 5:29.
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    Settling the Issue
    Someone may ask, ‘Could God not have simply overlooked Adam and Eve’s sin?’ No, because that would have further undermined respect for his authority, perhaps encouraging future rebellions and resulting in even greater suffering. (Ecclesiastes 8:11) In addition, condoning such disobedience would have made God a party to wrongdoing. The Bible writer Moses reminds us: “God’s works are perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4, footnote) To be true to himself, God had to allow Adam and Eve to suffer the consequences of their disobedience.
    Why did God not immediately destroy the first human couple along with Satan, the invisible instigator of their rebellion? He had the power to do so. Adam and Eve would not have produced offspring subject to a legacy of suffering and death. However, such a demonstration of divine power would not have proved the rightfulness of God’s authority over his intelligent creatures. Furthermore, had Adam and Eve died childless, that would have signaled the failure of God’s purpose to fill the earth with their perfect descendants. (Genesis 1:28) And “God is not like men . . . Whatever he promises, he does; he speaks, and it is done.”—Numbers 23:19, Today’s English Version.
    In his perfect wisdom, Jehovah God decided to allow the rebellion to proceed for a limited time. The rebels would have ample opportunity to experience the effects of independence from God. History would demonstrate beyond doubt mankind’s need for divine guidance and the superiority of God’s rule over man’s or Satan’s. At the same time, God took steps to ensure that his original purpose for the earth would be fulfilled. He promised that a “seed,” or “offspring,” would come who would ‘bruise Satan in the head,’ eliminating once and for all his rebellion and its damaging effects.—Genesis 3:15, footnote.
    Jesus Christ was that promised Seed. At 1 John 3:8, we read that “the Son of God was made manifest . . . to break up the works of the Devil.” This he did by laying down his perfect human life and paying the ransom price to redeem Adam’s children from inherited sin and death. (John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:5, 6) Those who truly exercise faith in Jesus’ sacrifice are promised permanent relief from suffering. (John 3:16; Revelation 7:17) When will this happen?
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    An End to Suffering
    The rejection of God’s authority has caused untold suffering. It is fitting, then, that God should use a special expression of his authority to end human suffering and accomplish his original purpose for the earth. Jesus mentioned this divine provision when he taught his followers to pray: “Our Father in the heavens, . . . let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.”—Matthew 6:9, 10.
    The time that God has allowed for humans to experiment with self-government is about to end. In fulfillment of Bible prophecy, his Kingdom was established in the heavens in 1914 with Jesus Christ as its King.* Shortly, it will crush and put an end to all human governments.—Daniel 2:44.
    During his brief earthly ministry, Jesus provided a foregleam of the blessings that the restoration of divine rule will bring to humanity. The Gospels provide evidence that Jesus showed compassion for members of human society who were poor and discriminated against. He healed the sick, fed the hungry, and resurrected the dead. Even the forces of nature obeyed his voice. (Matthew 11:5; Mark 4:37-39; Luke 9:11-16) Imagine what Jesus will accomplish when he uses the cleansing effect of his ransom sacrifice to benefit all obedient mankind! The Bible promises that by means of Christ’s rule, God “will wipe out every tear from [mankind’s] eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.”—Revelation 21:4.

    Comfort for Those Who Suffer

    How heartening it is to know that our loving and all-powerful God, Jehovah, cares for us and that he will shortly bring relief to mankind! Usually, a seriously sick patient willingly accepts treatment that will cure him even if it is very painful. In the same way, if we know that God’s way of handling matters will bring eternal blessings, that knowledge can sustain us no matter what temporary difficulties we face.
    Ricardo, mentioned in the preceding article, is one who has learned to draw comfort from the Bible’s promises. “After my wife’s death, I felt a strong desire to isolate myself,” he recalls, “but I soon realized that this would not bring my wife back and would only worsen my emotional state.” Instead, Ricardo stuck to his routine of attending Christian meetings and sharing the Bible’s message with others. “As I felt Jehovah’s loving support and noticed how he answered my prayers in seemingly small matters, I drew closer to him,” says Ricardo. “It was this awareness of God’s love that enabled me to endure what certainly was the worst trial I had ever faced.” He admits: “I still miss my wife very much, but I now firmly believe that nothing Jehovah allows to happen can cause us lasting harm.”
    Do you, like Ricardo and millions of others, yearn for the time when mankind’s present sufferings “will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart”? (Isaiah 65:17) Be assured that the blessings of God’s Kingdom are within your grasp if you follow the Bible’s advice: “Search for Jehovah . . . while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near.”—Isaiah 55:6.
    To help you do this, make the reading and careful study of God’s Word a priority in your life. Get to know God and the one whom he sent forth, Jesus Christ. Strive to live in harmony with God’s standards and thus show that you are willing to submit to his sovereignty. Such a course will bring you greater happiness now despite the tests that you may have to face. And in the future, it will result in your enjoying life in a world free of suffering.—John 17:3.
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    Originally posted by galveston75
    PT 4
    An End to Suffering
    The rejection of God’s authority has caused untold suffering. It is fitting, then, that God should use a special expression of his authority to end human suffering and accomplish his original purpose for the earth. Jesus mentioned this divine provision when he taught his followers to pray: “Our Father in the heavens, . . . let ...[text shortened]... And in the future, it will result in your enjoying life in a world free of suffering.—John 17:3.
    Can you make a sum-up, or do I really have to read all these 1632 words of yours, your bible references uncounted?

    Or can I just draw the conclusion that there is no simple answer. That 1632 words are really needed to explain why cancer to innocent people, like children, has a purpose in a loving and caring creation, or perhaps a flaw by the designers intelligence is a better explanation.

    Try once more to explain why god shouldn't be considered evil? With a lesser count of words this time.
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    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Can you make a sum-up, or do I really have to read all these 1632 words of yours, your bible references uncounted?

    Or can I just draw the conclusion that there is no simple answer. That 1632 words are really needed to explain why cancer to innocent people, like children, has a purpose in a loving and caring creation, or perhaps a flaw by the designers ...[text shortened]... ce more to explain why god shouldn't be considered evil? With a lesser count of words this time.
    I'm confused. Are you a theist or not? Or maybe a deist?
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    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    I'm confused. Are you a theist or not? Or maybe a deist?
    Or a threist? 🙂

    One way of not being criticized for ones faith is not to reveal it.
    "I am what I am". Who said that? He didn't reveal anything either. Noone complains over that.

    But there are too many things about christianity that make me vomit. The title of this thread is one of them. If a god would claim to be loving and caring, then he wouldn't created cancer. My question is how ordinary christians can explain such a paradox.
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    11 Mar '14 10:381 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Or a threist? 🙂

    One way of not being criticized for ones faith is not to reveal it.
    "I am what I am". Who said that? He didn't reveal anything either. Noone complains over that.

    But there are too many things about christianity that make me vomit. The title of this thread is one of them. If a god would claim to be loving and caring, then he wouldn't created cancer. My question is how ordinary christians can explain such a paradox.
    If a god would claim to be loving and caring, then he wouldn't created cancer.


    Do you believe God created cancer?
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    11 Mar '14 11:39
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Or a threist? 🙂

    One way of not being criticized for ones faith is not to reveal it.
    "I am what I am". Who said that? He didn't reveal anything either. Noone complains over that.

    But there are too many things about christianity that make me vomit. The title of this thread is one of them. If a god would claim to be loving and caring, then he wouldn't created cancer. My question is how ordinary christians can explain such a paradox.
    Christians and any one from any of the Abrahamic religions will come up with not real answers but well planned out rationalizations since there is no answer to that question other than 1) there is no Abrahamic god (maybe there are gods but not THAT one) or 2) There is an Abrahamic god but it just doesn't give a crap about humans, perhaps considering us as an experiment that will live or fail on our own petards. Perhaps in that case it would like to find out if we can survive ourselves.
    But if that is the case, a god, being omniscient, would already know the outcome of such a transaction so to allow suffering in that case is just an indication of a god cruel in the extreme (hard love?).

    I have always said such attributes attributed to the Ab god such as 'I am a jealous god' is a clear indication of humans just assigning such attributes to a man made god, since I find it impossible to believe a god who can make entire universes would somehow be jealous of the attentions of humans?

    Pure quackery IMHO.
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    One way of not being criticized for ones faith is not to reveal it.

    True, but you don't want to go through life constantly hiding your true self for fear of being criticised, do you?
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    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I have always said such attributes attributed to the Ab god such as 'I am a jealous god' is a clear indication of humans just assigning such attributes to a man made god, since I find it impossible to believe a god who can make entire universes would somehow be jealous of the attentions of humans?


    The jealous passages are spoken in terms of a lover being robbed of his legitimate spouse. It is understood that any loving husband might say to his wife being wooed and tempted away - "What are you doing? I can do a much better job of loving you. Haven't I proved that already. Come back. I'm jealous. jealous with my great love for you and yearning for your single hearted devotion."
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    11 Mar '14 12:03
    Originally posted by yoctobyte
    If a god would claim to be loving and caring, then he wouldn't created cancer.


    Do you believe God created cancer?
    Christians say that he is the creator of everything.
    And the intelligent designer has designed the cancer.
    So they say.
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    11 Mar '14 12:041 edit
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    [b]One way of not being criticized for ones faith is not to reveal it.

    True, but you don't want to go through life constantly hiding your true self for fear of being criticised, do you?[/b]
    I haven't any desire to expose my beliefs.

    Have you answered the OP question? Do you know the answer?
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    11 Mar '14 12:081 edit
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Christians say that he is the creator of everything.
    And the intelligent designer has designed the cancer.
    So they say.
    no cancer and disease come as a consequence of genetic aberration after the fall of man, Gods creation was perfect. What is more protection from UV was provided in the form of an atmosphere, an atmosphere that has been eroded and polluted due to human activity.
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