Evil?

Originally posted by @fmf
When I explained what I believe "evil" is in a post directly addressed to you a few weeks back, you just blanked it out. Then a few days later you simply pretended that I hadn't explained my take on the nature and source of "evil" to you, and asked me about it again.

And then, oddly, when I pointed out where my explanation was, you just pretended that you ...[text shortened]... ay - you used the opportunity for something else rather than to have a genuine dialogue with me.

By 'genuine dialogue' you mean I have to agree with you even if what you say makes no sense? If there is no objective standard by which to measure evil, then it means for you 'evil' is simply exactly what you want to make it out to be.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
By 'genuine dialogue' you mean I have to agree with you even if what you say makes no sense?

No. Not at all. Don't be childish. By genuine dialogue I mean where you absorb and acknowledge what people say - so that the dialogue progresses - rather than you simply ignoring people's answers and points and repeating your questions over and over and over and over again. There's nothing wrong with disagreement. And there's nothing wrong with saying that what someone else says seems to make sense.

Originally posted by @fmf
No. Not at all. Don't be childish. By genuine dialogue I mean where you absorb and acknowledge what people say - so that the dialogue progresses - rather than you simply ignoring people's answers and points and repeating your questions over and over and over and over again. There's nothing wrong with disagreement. And there's nothing wrong with saying that what someone else says seems to make sense.

If there is no objective standard by which to measure evil, then it means for you 'evil' is simply exactly what you want to make it out to be. We can agree on that?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If there is no objective standard by which to measure evil, then it means for you 'evil' is simply exactly what you want to make it out to be. We can agree on that?

I think you are unable to 'measure' "evil" because you are intellectually hamstrung by your superstitions. On the other hand, for the reasons we have discussed before, I don’t have any problem perceiving and 'measuring' "evil".

Originally posted by @fmf
I think you are unable to 'measure' "evil" because you are intellectually hamstrung by your superstitions. On the other hand, for the reasons we have discussed before, I don’t have any problem perceiving and 'measuring' "evil".

But how do you know that your perception or measurement of evil is correct when you have no objective standard to allude to? We can both agree that you can't know with the starting assumption that there is no objective moral standard to begin with.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
But how do you know that your perception or measurement of evil is correct when you have no objective standard to allude to?

I don’t care if you think it is "correct" or not. Why do you keep asking about the same things over and over again?

Originally posted by @fmf
I don’t care if you think it is "correct" or not. Why do you keep asking about the same things over and over again?

Can we both agree that you can't know with the starting assumption that there is no objective moral standard to begin with?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Can we both agree that you can't know with the starting assumption that there is no objective moral standard to begin with?

Complete gibberish.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Can we both agree that you can't know with the starting assumption that there is no objective moral standard to begin with?

You don't have an objective standard. Your moral sensibilities are just as subjective as everybody else's. I don’t need you to agree with me. Why do you keep repeating the same questions incessantly while ignoring the answers?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
But how do you know that your perception or measurement of evil is correct when you have no objective standard to allude to?.

If I believe that murder is "evil", it matters not one whit whether you happen to think my moral reasoning is "correct" or not "correct".

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Complete gibberish.

Gibberish is what you get without an objective moral law whereby everyone does as they please and there is no more black and white but simply shades of grey.

Originally posted by @fmf
You don't have an objective standard. Your moral sensibilities are just as subjective as everybody else's. I don’t need you to agree with me. Why do you keep repeating the same questions incessantly while ignoring the answers?

Of course from your perspective of relativism no one needs to agree with anyone because they're all right anyway.

Originally posted by @fmf
If I believe that murder is "evil", it matters not one whit whether you happen to think my moral reasoning is "correct" or not "correct".

If someone else were to believe that murder were not evil would it also not matter one whit if their moral reasoning were correct?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Of course from your perspective of relativism no one needs to agree with anyone because they're all right anyway.

You've put this to me before umpteen times before and you've simply ignored my answer every time. Well my answer hasn't changed.

Originally posted by @fmf
You've put this to me before umpteen times before and you've simply ignored my answer every time. Well my answer hasn't changed.

Still seems it hasn't sunk in yet, maybe you should read it again. Slowly this time.