1. Cape Town
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    01 Feb '08 10:491 edit
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    Don't you think that the unclear presentation would be fixed by simply adding a few words?

    1.2 GOD cannot be fully defined or adequately described. To to have completely
    described GOD is to have completely defined GOD, and to have completely
    defined GOD is to reduce GOD to a finite limited existence.
    Better, except that it would be untrue.
    A definition, even a complete one, does not guarantee finiteness. The real numbers which are uncountably infinite, are completely defined.
    I also do not really understand why "GOD is the entirety of existence" is not adequate as a definition, though I do realize that it falls short as a full definition. But then no definition can really be complete without essentially containing a complete replica of the original and that is clearly impossible for "all existence".
    But then again, anything is in itself a complete description of itself, which might explain the "I am who I am" that caissad4 so despises. Is it possible that that is the only valid "complete definition" for the entirety of existence?
  2. Standard memberKellyJay
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    02 Feb '08 06:16
    Originally posted by UzumakiAi
    Restate please. I cannot understand! 🙁
    What caused the death of those on the Titanic? It was going into the
    cold water for most! Some want to blame their sin and going to hell
    for their sin on their rejection of the one thing that could save them.
    With the Titanic those that didn't make it to the life rafts ended up
    in the water and died, the comparison is that Jesus Christ saves us,
    rejecting the salvation is like rejecting the life raft! The fact those
    people could have rejected the life rafts would not mean they would
    have died just for that, people do not get into life rafts all the time
    and do not die! Those people were heading towards a death that only
    the rafts could have saved them from, missing the rafts caused them
    to end up in the water which did kill them. Missing Jesus Christ means
    that they miss His great salvation and end up standing before God
    in all their sins and from that point on they will pay for them. They
    don’t have sin in their lives they need not worry, but all have sinned
    and fallen short of God.
    Kelly
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    04 Feb '08 03:03
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    It is an entertaining notion that the Universe is subject to reincarnation, or would that be reuniversification?
    Sounds funny!
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    04 Feb '08 03:06
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What caused the death of those on the Titanic? It was going into the
    cold water for most! Some want to blame their sin and going to hell
    for their sin on their rejection of the one thing that could save them.
    With the Titanic those that didn't make it to the life rafts ended up
    in the water and died, the comparison is that Jesus Christ saves us,
    reject ...[text shortened]... ve sin in their lives they need not worry, but all have sinned
    and fallen short of God.
    Kelly
    But, this is not a good comparison! It would be like having a group of people on a boat saying: "This boat will crash and sink soon! Therefore, people who do not wait in the lifeboats for the duration of the trip are idiots! They are fools, for they do not stay safe in here, instead they have a good time on the boat! Not a good move!"

    That is closer comparison I think!
  5. Cape Town
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    04 Feb '08 09:37
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    What caused the death of those on the Titanic? It was going into the
    cold water for most! Some want to blame their sin and going to hell
    for their sin on their rejection of the one thing that could save them.
    With the Titanic those that didn't make it to the life rafts ended up
    in the water and died, the comparison is that Jesus Christ saves us,
    reject ...[text shortened]... ve sin in their lives they need not worry, but all have sinned
    and fallen short of God.
    Kelly
    Yet the blame lies with:
    1. Whoever was responsible for ensuring the Titanic did not hit an ice berg.
    2. The ships designers who did not make the ship iceberg proof.
    3. The ships designers who did not include enough life rafts.
    4. The ships staff who did not practice their emergency evacuation procedures well enough
    5. God for setting up the whole situation in the first place.

    Somehow you manage to hold two contradictory concepts:
    1. That we cannot avoid sin.
    2. That we are to blame for our sin.
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