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Originally posted by @wolfgang59It is an unchanging reference point in a debate. If we ignore all dictionary definitions we may as well both talk gibberish.
So is a dictionary an objective view?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWell, dictionaries are not unchanging.
It is an unchanging reference point in a debate. If we ignore all dictionary definitions we may as well both talk gibberish.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo it isn't.
It is an unchanging reference point ...
You need to get out more.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou don't know much about dictionaries I take it.
Your copy mutates?
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/our-story/creating-dictionaries
Dictionaries change from year to year. Do you think a 1980 dictionary would have the words Twerking or Smartphone or Selfie?
The one on your shelf sits there and grows more and more obsolete year by year.
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Originally posted by @sonhouseSure does that mean we can’t agree on a definition of ‘faith’ because the word ‘twerking’ did not exist in the 80s?
You don't know much about dictionaries I take it.
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/our-story/creating-dictionaries
Dictionaries change from year to year. Do you think a 1980 dictionary would have the words Twerking or Smartphone or Selfie?
The one on your shelf sits there and grows more and more obsolete year by year.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThere are still non-religious connotations of 'faith'. If a husband is 'faithful' to his wife, he is not worshipping her, he is just not fukking the girl next door. That is a totally different definition of faith than the biblical one, where there is supernatural connotations that cannot EVER be answered by science and therefore MUST be taken on 'faith'.
Sure does that mean we can’t agree on a definition of ‘faith’ because the word ‘twerking’ did not exist in the 80s?
In that definition, faith=supernatural
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Originally posted by @sonhouseDo you disagree that faith can be defined as “complete trust or confidence in someone or something.”?
There are still non-religious connotations of 'faith'. If a husband is 'faithful' to his wife, he is not worshipping her, he is just not fukking the girl next door. That is a totally different definition of faith than the biblical one, where there is supernatural connotations that cannot EVER be answered by science and therefore MUST be taken on 'faith'.
In that definition, faith=supernatural
That’s what I have been saying all along.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIt CAN be but you want us to go, THEREFORE you need to have faith in god.
Do you disagree that faith can be defined as “complete trust or confidence in someone or something.”?
That’s what I have been saying all along.
That is your bottom line.
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Originally posted by @sonhouseActually, from what I gather it is currently a matter of debate amongst biblical scholars as to whether the word translated as "faith" should more properly be translated as "faithful" /"faithfulness" (as in your husband example) in many instances.
There are still non-religious connotations of 'faith'. If a husband is 'faithful' to his wife, he is not worshipping her, he is just not fukking the girl next door. That is a totally different definition of faith than the biblical one, where there is supernatural connotations that cannot EVER be answered by science and therefore MUST be taken on 'faith'.
In that definition, faith=supernatural
Of course, most Christians prefer "faith" since it's self-serving to do so.
In recent Biblical scholarship there has been a push in certain circles to redefine the word "faith" as we know it in our Bibles to mean "faithfulness." That is, whenever you read in the Bible that we are justified through "faith", we are now told that we ought to understand this saying to mean we are justified through "faithfulness".
http://www.timothyministry.com/2014/07/faith-or-faithfulness.html
In the New Testament the definition of faith pretty much presupposes the reality of its object.
" Now faith is the substantiation of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
But throughout the Bible it is clear that not everything passed the test to be called faith. Israel made presumptions which turned out disastrous at times. These were not counted as faith.
The matter is also made more complexed because at other times true faith was not entirely rewarded in the lifetime the faith holding one. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph died in faith.
Faith in the Bible often requires resurrection and final vindication in another age.
"All these died in faith, not receiving the promises but seeing them from afar and joyfully greeting them and confessing that they were strangers after a country and sojourners on the earth." (Hebrews 11:24)
The conclusion of history as yet to come is the ultimate and final vindication of all genuine faith in God, as seen in the last two chapters of the Bible - Revelation 21,22. That is the final consummation of the corporate entity New Jerusalem.
"For he [Abraham] eagerly waited for the city which has foundations, whose Architect and Builder is God." (Heb. 11:10)
The meaning of this "city" is that God builds Himself into man and man into God. In short, He mass-produces sons of God for an enlargement of Christ for a collective "building" of the uniting of Divinity and humanity.