Originally posted by Zahlanzia lie that gives you hope and warms your soul is better than a truth that gives you nothing.
so essentially if you have hope in your life you are weak and scared?
That is your quote from another post. The hope which you allude to, as you put it, is a lie. People who run away from the truth in my experience are generally scared. Personally i'd rather face up to the truth and take it on like a man than cower beneath some veneer masquarading as 'truth'.
I agree with you. Let me add, when you come to realize that this is the only life you have, it encourages you to appreciated it more and to make the very most of it. Being alive now means you were never alive before and will never be alive again. When you think about it, it's an extraordinary opportunity not to be wasted.
Originally posted by 667joeWhatever works for you.
I agree with you. Let me add, when you come to realize that this is the only life you have, it encourages you to appreciated it more and to make the very most of it. Being alive now means you were never alive before and will never be alive again. When you think about it, it's an extraordinary opportunity not to be wasted.
How do you even know you have this life? Are there degrees of having a life?
BTW Bosse , I'm faithin Faith this weekend🙂
Originally posted by Proper Knobit really makes me giggle inside when i see all atheists fall into the same mistake.
a lie that gives you hope and warms your soul is better than a truth that gives you nothing.
That is your quote from another post. The hope which you allude to, as you put it, is a lie. People who run away from the truth in my experience are generally scared. Personally i'd rather face up to the truth and take it on like a man than cower beneath some veneer masquarading as 'truth'.
something not proven is exactly that: unproven. might be true or not. or maybe inadequately defined. god is not a lie. it is simply up for discussion. and until it will be proven or disproven you cannot call it a lie. unless you agree that atheism is a form of religion. then i can allow you saying god is inexistent without having proof.
your taking it like a man is kinda the same level of bravery a child displays when entering a dark forest. you have no idea what is there but because you see nothing you claim there is nothing.
Originally posted by 667joehow exactly am i wasting my life for example? how did newton wasted his life?
I agree with you. Let me add, when you come to realize that this is the only life you have, it encourages you to appreciated it more and to make the very most of it. Being alive now means you were never alive before and will never be alive again. When you think about it, it's an extraordinary opportunity not to be wasted.
is it a waste that i make the cross gesture when i pass a church? is it waste that i congratulate god whenever i see a rather beautiful pattern of clouds? what exactly in my life or any other believer is a waste?
Originally posted by ZahlanziBut it was you who alluded to the fact it was a lie, i merely commented on your quote.
it really makes me giggle inside when i see all atheists fall into the same mistake.
something not proven is exactly that: unproven. might be true or not. or maybe inadequately defined. god is not a lie. it is simply up for discussion. and until it will be proven or disproven you cannot call it a lie. unless you agree that atheism is a form of religion. ...[text shortened]... k forest. you have no idea what is there but because you see nothing you claim there is nothing.
I am fully well versed in what is proven and unproven.
Originally posted by Proper Knoba, i know now what position you are arguing.
But it was you who alluded to the fact it was a lie, i merely commented on your quote.
I am fully well versed in what is proven and unproven.
then yes, it might be better to man up, admit it and move on. for some people. for most though, even a lie they know is a lie might be preferable to the truth. some people would rather go home to a cheating wife they know for sure is unfaithful rather than divorce her and face loneliness. it is not very healthy behavior but it might get you some happiness. only it is the extreme example. a better analogy for our discussion is that you don't know for sure she is cheating. you only suspect it. and you might never know. will you divorce your wife then? you have no proof she is faithful, you have no proof she is not faithful. you have no proof that she loves you or not. you simply choose to believe it. to believe what makes you happy.
that is one of the reasons i am not an atheist. we make leaps of faith all the time. in love. in friendship. no proof whatsover other than some gestures that could well be fabricated. we hold a pat on the cheek, a hug, a kiss to be evidence of immense love because we wish them to be. they can be easily faked but it makes us happy to believe them real.
Originally posted by ZahlanziI understand what you are saying, i appreciate that position but i personally don't buy into it. I'd just rather face the truth and remain open minded. Show me some evidence for a God and i'll believe, till then i remain sceptical.
a, i know now what position you are arguing.
then yes, it might be better to man up, admit it and move on. for some people. for most though, even a lie they know is a lie might be preferable to the truth. some people would rather go home to a cheating wife they know for sure is unfaithful rather than divorce her and face loneliness. it is not very health ...[text shortened]... ecause we wish them to be. they can be easily faked but it makes us happy to believe them real.
Your scenario doesn't quite paint the correct picture for this reason. The person who suspects that their partner is cheating on them, but wishes to remain in the dark about it, can at any point find out the truth if they so wish. They just choose not to. Unfortunately we cannot at any point find out the truth about the existence of a creator, it remains an impossibility.
Originally posted by Proper Knobobviously my example is "exactly" the same as god. if you wish, you can picture the husband suspecting his wife is having sex with her CIA partner while on a mission in bolivia. somewhere the husband can't check.
I understand what you are saying, i appreciate that position but i personally don't buy into it. I'd just rather face the truth and remain open minded. Show me some evidence for a God and i'll believe, till then i remain sceptical.
Your scenario doesn't quite paint the correct picture for this reason. The person who suspects that their partner is che ...[text shortened]... any point find out the truth about the existence of a creator, it remains an impossibility.
suspicions based on maybe nothing. impossible to verify one way or the other. what the husband does know is that when the wife is home, he is happy and gets some hot cia agent loving. so what do you think he should do, believe she is cheating on him or that she indeed loves him? no proof of either in both cases.