Footprints in the Sand

Originally posted by stepnkev
"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."

So what the story is actually trying to tell us is "don't ever ask for the lords help because whenever he carries you that causes the worst trial and suffering of your life."

Originally posted by twhitehead
So what the story is actually trying to tell us is "don't ever ask for the lords help because whenever he carries you that causes the worst trial and suffering of your life."

Why so bitter?

Originally posted by Jay Joos
Why so bitter?

I am not bitter. I just think that Christians love to tell themselves comforting stories but never actually think about what they mean.
I have seen that story before and the first time I saw it I thought 'how nice' but then after a while I thought about it and realized that it didn't actually make much sense at all. Yet a number of people I know have it framed and stuck on their walls.
The basic problem is:
Christian claim: God helps you through the hard times.
My response:
1. who created the hard times?
2. why can't God stop the hard times altogether?
3. if God is helping you why do they still seem so hard?

Originally posted by twhitehead
I am not bitter. I just think that Christians love to tell themselves comforting stories but never actually think about what they mean.
I have seen that story before and the first time I saw it I thought 'how nice' but then after a while I thought about it and realized that it didn't actually make much sense at all. Yet a number of people I know have it ...[text shortened]... od stop the hard times altogether?
3. if God is helping you why do they still seem so hard?

In my view....
1. The fallen Angel...Satan
2.we chose free will
3.we dont look for Gods help and when he helps us it comes as a surprise.

I think its very encouraging not just for Christians.... take comfort in it!

Originally posted by Jay Joos
I think its very encouraging not just for Christians.... take comfort in it!

Its only encouraging to you because, as I said, you haven't really thought about it.
And why would non-Christians find it encouraging?

And when exactly did I choose free will? Doesn't that totally contradict your other thread where you claim that not choosing is choosing too. So:
1. Choosing free will requires you to already have free will to make the choice.
2. Even if you didn't choose free will, choosing not to have free will is a choice too which requires free will to make.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Its only encouraging to you because, as I said, you haven't really thought about it.
And why would non-Christians find it encouraging?

And when exactly did I choose free will? Doesn't that totally contradict your other thread where you claim that not choosing is choosing too. So:
1. Choosing free will requires you to already have free will to make th ...[text shortened]... e free will, choosing not to have free will is a choice too which requires free will to make.

I agree....

Non Christians would(i hope) just find it a nice story....nothing more

Originally posted by Jay Joos
I agree....

Non Christians would(i hope) just find it a nice story....nothing more

no, it's just dumb.

Originally posted by Jay Joos
I agree....

Non Christians would(i hope) just find it a nice story....nothing more

bit like christmas

Originally posted by twhitehead
So what the story is actually trying to tell us is "don't ever ask for the lords help because whenever he carries you that causes the worst trial and suffering of your life."

No what that says is that we are not alone, no matter what we are
facing death included.
Kelly

Originally posted by Jay Joos
1. The fallen Angel...Satan

Satan is only capable of doing that which God lets him do.

So God must have wanted these hard times to exist, because God always gets what God wants.

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Satan is only capable of doing that which God lets him do.

So God must have wanted these hard times to exist, because God always gets what God wants.

Nemesio

What god are you talking about? Not the God of the Bible, He has
allowed Himself to be disappointed and pleased by what we do and
don't do.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What god are you talking about? Not the God of the Bible, He has
allowed Himself to be disappointed and pleased by what we do and
don't do.
Kelly

Yes, your omnipotent, omniscient God. Nothing happens but at his behest.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Yes, your omnipotent, omniscient God. Nothing happens but at his behest.

Again, this is a little old, your words not mine. You can describe your
god or view of god any way you want, I just ask you to not do that
with the God I believe in, you do not have a clue.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Again, this is a little old, your words not mine. You can describe your
god or view of god any way you want, I just ask you to not do that
with the God I believe in, you do not have a clue.
Kelly

Your God isn't omnipotent?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Your God isn't omnipotent?

What you are asking? You don't know, you cannot read my mind,
you may actually have to get my opinion before you start telling
me what I'm thinking and trying to say?
Kelly