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It seems to me that the only person who can forgive a sin is the person who as sinned against. To think that Jesus can forgive a sinner is hogwash!
Originally posted by 667joe==========================================
It seems to me that the only person who can forgive a sin is the person who as sinned against. To think that Jesus can forgive a sinner is hogwash!
Originally posted by 667joeThe word 'sin' is often used to mean 'an offense against God'. When you offend someone else, you are also offending God because God does not like it when you offend others.
Just suppose that you are wrong and there is no god,who then can forgive the sin? If I were to steal your wife and get off the hook by atoning to Jesus, would you feel any better? Don't you think that you are the person whose forgiveness is meaningful? What you say is like stealing Jim's wife and apologizing to Fred. It makes no sense. Frankly, what Da ...[text shortened]... ional god let David off the hook, and the fact that it meets your approval is very dangerous.
Originally posted by 667joeThe term repent means to turn away from. So when we sin we have the option to continue therein or turn away from it. To turn away from sin is the best case scenario when someone sins and is the focus of scripture. Unfortunately, we do not have the ability to go back into time and "fix" things. Having said that, it is scriptural to go to the people you have wronged and ask for forgiveness, however, that is ALL we can do. If they do not then accept our apology after we are repentant then there is nothing else that can be done. In fact, the sin now lies with them because they too need forgiveness. How is it that they should be forgiven their sins if they will not accept the forgiveness of others?
It seems to me that the only person who can forgive a sin is the person who as sinned against. To think that Jesus can forgive a sinner is hogwash!
Originally posted by 667joeAbsolutely right! It is utter hogwash for any human being to claim he can forgive the sin of someone when he is not being sinned against. It should be the person who is sinned against that forgives the sin. It makes no sense for Jesus to make this claim. It's sheer unadulterated arrogance!!!!
It seems to me that the only person who can forgive a sin is the person who as sinned against. To think that Jesus can forgive a sinner is hogwash!
Originally posted by PinkFloydin forgiving we are forgiven its gods call always.... if you say i forgive but in your heart you await a time to seek revenge. Many will wrong you during your life as you will wrong others. And we will be accounted for all we say and do just pray the balance is in your favour.
You know, the reverse of the original poster's point has come up in Sunday School several times: the point was that in order TO forgive someone who has wronged you, don't they have to ask for it? I know we are supposed to be quick to forgive, but does that mean so quick that we forgive even if there is no contrition on the part of the trespasser?
Originally posted by stokerBut isn't revenge what christianity stands for? Isn't the great flood a revenge from god? Telling us to revenge when you have the power to do so...? Surely there are more examples of this in the bible, that revenge is encouraged by the bible and god himself?
in forgiving we are forgiven its gods call always.... if you say i forgive but in your heart you await a time to seek revenge.
Originally posted by whodeyThe offended may now be a sinner (against God) for having refused forgiveness, but your implication that the original sin has been transfered or that the original offender is now forgiven, or cleared of his guilt is incorrect.
If they do not then accept our apology after we are repentant then there is nothing else that can be done. In fact, the sin now lies with them because they too need forgiveness. How is it that they should be forgiven their sins if they will not accept the forgiveness of others?
Originally posted by FabianFnasNo.
But isn't revenge what christianity stands for? Isn't the great flood a revenge from god? Telling us to revenge when you have the power to do so...? Surely there are more examples of this in the bible, that revenge is encouraged by the bible and god himself?
Originally posted by PinkFloydIs there some part of the Bible that requires there to be contrition before forgiveness? Note that the word 'contrition' is not in the Bible.
You know, the reverse of the original poster's point has come up in Sunday School several times: the point was that in order TO forgive someone who has wronged you, don't they have to ask for it? I know we are supposed to be quick to forgive, but does that mean so quick that we forgive even if there is no contrition on the part of the trespasser?
Originally posted by 667joe=============================================
Just suppose that you are wrong and there is no god,who then can forgive the sin? If I were to steal your wife and get off the hook by atoning to Jesus, would you feel any better? Don't you think that you are the person whose forgiveness is meaningful? What you say is like stealing Jim's wife and apologizing to Fred. It makes no sense. Frankly, what Da ional god let David off the hook, and the fact that it meets your approval is very dangerous.
Originally posted by jaywillIf you spent as much time in a soup kitchen as you did composing these voluminous posts at all
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Just suppose that you are wrong and there is no god,who then can forgive the sin?
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With no offense intended, this questions is of the sort Paul advized Christians to avoid as a foolish one IMO.
I suppose you mean what if we substitute man for the u ...[text shortened]... ine that followed him for the rest of his life because of his sin.[/b]