An atheist before Darwin could have said, following Hume: "I have no explanation for complex biological design. All I know is that God isn't a good explanation, so we must wait and hope that somebody comes up with a better one." I can't help feeling that such a position, though logically sound, would have left one feeling pretty unsatisfied, and that although atheism might have been logically tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.
-- Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker (1986), page 6
Over in the atheist wing of the evolution camp, Eugenie Scott strategized and commiserated with, and sometimes chided, her fellow secular humanists this past weekend on a Minnesota radio program called Atheists Talk. Scott is Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, and a fine person. Atheists are sometimes hostile when faced with evolution criticism, but not Scott. I have opposed her occasionally in debates and discussions and she is always professional and respectful.
Scott's strong diplomacy skills are needed not only in defending evolution (not an easy task). She also needs those skills in dealing with her fellow evolutionists who sometimes want to make war with those of us who don't worship Darwin's god.
The NCSE's strategy, therefore, is to remove religious obstacles to evolution. The evolution camp is chocked full of theists, many of whom are more than happy to spread the good word of why theology, properly understood, mandates evolution and not divine creation or intelligent design. And the NCSE understands that religion is too big a force to oppose. So why oppose a giant that can instead be your ally? There are, however, three problems with the NCSE's strategy.
First, the NCSE underestimates religious differences.
Second, the NCSE underestimates the scientific obstacles to evolution. Those who worship Darwin's god don't mind, but others do.
Finally, the NCSE underestimates the transparency of its motives. Evolutionists are driven by their theology and metaphysics to claim that we must accept a silly theory as fact. And all of this is obvious.
When they ignore fundamental scientific problems and declare evolution to be a fact, it is not because they know something we don't. It is because they have no choice. Atheism is compatible with evolution, period. Evolution made atheism respectable, and atheists cannot let it go.
-- Cornelius Hunter, Tuesday, May 5, 2009
http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2009/05/atheists-strategize-on-minnesota-radio.html
Whether there is a Creator or not, debating that will not change anything. Our human desires have no determination in what the Creator will do with us. As hard as it may be for someone to suffer human death, even Christ was tortured before He gave up His human life. God did not make an exception when it came to His Son suffering for our sins. Except for Christ's human life, human life is corruptible and will not survive into eternity. The destruction of human life is not eternal, it is destroyed and gone.
Human beings' souls are what are important. Based on the bible, we are given a choice to put faith in Christ for our eternal life. Based on the bible, if we reject Christ with our free wills which God gave us, then we cannot blame God for letting us reap what is there for us to reap. Our judgement of the Creator means nothing at all. The Creator cannot be understood unless our Creator reveals Himself to us, or explains "why?"
The Creator is over us regardless of our desires. We do not have control of our futures, the Creator has control of where we go into eternity. Debating the goodness or value of the Creator will not change the Creator's Sovereignty. We have no choice of control over us. Stop debating that we do have control. Stop judging the Creator, and accept the Creator's sovereignty. Fighting the Creator's purpose is a futile plight. It has no eternal value.
In the end of our struggle to defy the Creator, we will have no choice when it comes time for God to put us away from Him. Your only guess may be that you will not face the Creator or that you will not face the Creator's sovereignty. Why keep guessing and questioning that you might not pay an eternal price for unbelief? We will never be able to blame the Creator for where He puts us in eternity. It is all futile for us. It has no eternal value for us. Please quit gambling with your souls!
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Matthew 10: 28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 25: 31 - 34, 41
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Originally posted by KingOnPointI am very doubtful that the atheists can be saved without believing in the Creator. So as long as they replace the Creator with their evolution god they are not likely to believe on the only begotten Son of God that they may be saved. This is the reason I believe it is necessary to teach them that they are being deceived to belive the lies of evolution.
Whether there is a Creator or not, debating that will not change anything. Our human desires have no determination in what the Creator will do with us. As hard as it may be for someone to suffer human death, even Christ was tortured before He gave up His human life. God did not make an exception when it came to His Son suffering for our sins. Except f ...[text shortened]... t hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Originally posted by RJHindsRJHinds,
I am very doubtful that the atheists can be saved without believing in the Creator. So as long as they replace the Creator with their evolution god they are not likely to believe on the only begotten Son of God that they may be saved. This is the reason I believe it is necessary to teach them that they are being deceived to belive the lies of evolution.
There is definitely no reason to try to mislead people about God, the Creator, but if Atheists don't believe in a Creator, they need to know that their unbelief will not change "the Facts." In their mode of thinking, they need to prepare for their future lives instead of gamble with their souls that they are right. In their mode of thinking, if they are wrong, they won't get a second chance to come out of the lake of fire.
Originally posted by KingOnPointEvolution's whole purpose is to eliminate faith in God and to foster the false doctrine of devils that the creation created itself, so there doesn't need to be a God. This doctrine of delusion is now referred to as the "great principle" of biology.
RJHinds,
There is definitely no reason to try to mislead people about God, the Creator, but if Atheists don't believe in a Creator, they need to know that their unbelief will not change "the Facts." In their mode of thinking, they need to prepare for their future lives instead of gamble with their souls that they are right. In their mode of thinking, if they are wrong, they won't get a second chance to come out of the lake of fire.
British biologist Woodger commented on the assumption that the cell accidentally came together and came alive by blind, unguided chance said, "It is simple dogmatism--asserting that what you want to believe did in fact happen."
To overcome problems with evolution, the atheists simply state the problem does not exist and change definitions that eliminate the problems. For example the "missing links" were called transitional fossils by Darwin to make them seem less missing. And today all plant and animal species are merely transitional forms that are links in a chain of life that are gradually evolving into more advanced stages.
Ken Ham / Bill Nye Debate Analysis
In a well publicized debate at the Answers in Genesis Creation Museum Ken Ham debated Bill Nye 'The Science Guy' on the topic, "Is creation a viable model of origins in a modern scientific age?"
article at: http://creation.com/ham-nye-debate
Originally posted by RJHinds"Genesis Creation Museum" ? 😀
Evolution's whole purpose is to eliminate faith in God and to foster the false doctrine of devils that the creation created itself, so there doesn't need to be a God. This doctrine of delusion is now referred to as the "great principle" of biology.
British biologist Woodger commented on the assumption that the cell accidentally came together and came aliv ...[text shortened]...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZTLVmYSyU
article at: http://creation.com/ham-nye-debate