free will again :S

Originally posted by rwingett
Was the serpent good?

Sorry for the delay. The serpent was good; the one who embodied the form was not. Prior to the creation of man, Lucifer was a cherub guardian of God's glory. When given an earthly form for purposes of communicating with man, as Satan, he was given the form of the serpent.

Originally posted by rwingett
What evil did they see? Freaky seems to think there was no evil until after they ate from the tree. Are you claiming that evil predated that event? In any case, the bible is quite explicit in that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil until after they ate from the tree. Furthermore, it is quite apparent that god did not want them to have thi ...[text shortened]... e then either? Does it follow that god did not even intend for mankind to have free will at all?

evil is the opposite of good and i believe the reason they had no knowledge of good and evil is because they were doing good because they never knew of evil, so it was like they were doing good without even knowing it.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
evil is the opposite of good and i believe the reason they had no knowledge of good and evil is because they were doing good because they never knew of evil, so it was like they were doing good without even knowing it.

Before they ate from the tree, if there were 3 good things to choose from, did they have 'free will' in deciding?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Before they ate from the tree, if there were 3 good things to choose from, did they have 'free will' in deciding?

there is only one good and one evil

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
there is only one good and one evil

The point is that 'free will' existed without evil. I'm not sure why so many people feel compelled to bundle the two. It doesn't make sense.

Uuuh, so that man would have free will, yeeeah, that's the ticket.

An "I don't know" would be much more appropriate.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
The point is that 'free will' existed without evil. I'm not sure why so many people feel compelled to bundle the two. It doesn't make sense.

Uuuh, so that man would have free will, yeeeah, that's the ticket.

God made hell so that we wouldnt be forced to go to heaven, he gave us a choice; that is what free will is. good/heaven or evil/hell

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
God made hell so that we wouldnt be forced to go to heaven, he gave us a choice; that is what free will is. good/heaven or evil/hell

Does the scripture back up that claim?

Here's a reasonable definition of 'free will' that I just found:

'Free Will' is a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives.

I wouldn't think that the 'various alternatives' would have to include both 'good' and 'evil'.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Does the scripture back up that claim?

Here's a reasonable definition of 'free will' that I just found:

'Free Will' is a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives.

I wouldn't think that the 'various alternatives' would have to include both 'good' and 'evil'.

yeah somewhere in there

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
yeah somewhere in there

Care to share it with the rest of us?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Care to share it with the rest of us?

i dont read that crap

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
i dont read that crap

Then what's the point of this thread?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Then what's the point of this thread?

to learn, and to voice my opinion

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
to learn, and to voice my opinion

Albeit an uninformed opinion from the sound of it. Maybe you should consider reading the Bible before offering an opinion on what it says 🙂

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Albeit an uninformed opinion from the sound of it. Maybe you should consider reading the Bible before offering an opinion on what it says 🙂

everything i know is from memory cuz i used to go to church when i was little

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
everything i know is from memory cuz i used to go to church when i was little

Interesting that you call it 'crap'. Why so?