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Originally posted by @vivifyCite an example.
I don't know. Why does the bible say God doesn't change his mind, when he clearly has many times in the OT? Simple answer: the bible is flawed.
Originally posted by @vivifyCite an example.
I don't know. Why does the bible say God doesn't change his mind, when he clearly has many times in the OT? Simple answer: the bible is flawed.
Originally posted by @fmfDid you not say that you do not have the choice to love or not love someone? I think the issue here is the definition of love. Do you agree with Paul's definition in 1 Corinthians 13 that I cited?
You cited me in your OP. Why not quote the piece on love and choice that you were referring to?
Originally posted by @divegeesterThere is no such thing as absolute freedom. We can't choose our parents, where and when we were born or when we will die. But that doesn't mean we have no free will or the ability to seek God.
If God created us, then how is that free will?
If God intervenes in some supernatural way, how is that impacting free will?
If God says "thou shalt not...." doesn't that impact free will?
If God creates a scenario which implies love me of I'll burn you alive for eternity, where is the free will in that?
If God demands obedience, doesn ...[text shortened]... free will?
If we are driven by hormones to reproduce, doesn't that imply a lack of free will?
Originally posted by @whodeyThe bible doesn't say that. You're adding adding to the bible, a big no-no according biblical doctrine. It's also erroneous, since Paul makes it clear that human decisions plays no part in who God chooses to be saved.
Correct, God chooses those whom he knows will choose him.
I realize how confusing it can get.
Originally posted by @whodey
Cite an example.
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Originally posted by @vivifyNow you are putting these exact words into Paul's mouth, "human decisions plays no part in who God chooses to be saved." Quote his exact words where he says that or admit that you put those words in his mouth.
The bible doesn't say that. You're adding adding to the bible, a big no-no according biblical doctrine. It's also erroneous, since Paul makes it clear that human decisions plays no part in who God chooses to be saved.
the bible says that some people were created for wrath. Obviously, that means God explicitly created people to go hell; he had no intention of letting them choose salvation.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou made the accusation, you show that I'm wrong, then.
Now you are putting these exact words into Paul's mouth, "human decisions plays no part in who God chooses to be saved." Quote his exact words where he says that or admit that you put those words in his mouth.
Originally posted by @vivifyIf you cannot give me the verse where Paul spoke those exact words, then I will maintain that you are putting words in his mouth.
You made the accusation, you show that I'm wrong, then.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou're a child molester. If can't prove you're not, I will maintain that you molest children.
If you cannot give me the verse where Paul spoke those exact words, then I will maintain that you are putting words in his mouth.
Originally posted by @vivifyYou can claim that I am a child molester. If you can't prove it your words are hollow. Just as hollow as they are when you claim that Paul said something without being able to quote the verse.
You're a child molester. If can't prove you're not, I will maintain that you molest children.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerExactly. If you can't prove your claim that I put words in Paul's mouth, your words are hollow.
You can claim that I am a child molester. If you can't prove it your words are hollow.
Originally posted by @vivifyIf you can't prove that the words you quoted belong to Paul, there is no need for me to prove anything since you are unable to back up the claim you made.
Exactly. If you can't prove your claim that I put words in Paul's mouth, your words are hollow.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerLikewise. You can't prove I put words in Paul's mouth, and there's no need for me prove anything to you.
If you can't prove that the words you quoted belong to Paul, there is no need for me to prove anything since you are unable to back up the claim you made.
Originally posted by @vivifySo if you can't prove that God doesn't exist we should just assume that he does? Nice. Prove that God doesn't exist.
Likewise. You can't prove I put words in Paul's mouth, and there's no need for me prove anything to you.
You've been owned by your own logic.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI didn't make a claim that God doesn't exist. You made a claim that I misquoted Paul.
So if you can't prove that God doesn't exist we should just assume that he does? Nice. Prove that God doesn't exist.