Free will

Originally posted by @dj2becker
To me God is a reality. I'm sorry if this sounds totally stupid to you.

It does.
Apology accepted.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
It does.
Apology accepted.

Would you care to explain why you regard peoples beliefs that are different to yours as stupid?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Would you care to explain why you regard peoples beliefs that are different to yours as stupid?

no

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
no

Is it because you regard your own beliefs as true and theirs as false?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Is it because you regard your own beliefs as true and theirs as false?

🙄
Or maybe I regard my beliefs as false and theirs as true?

You choose.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
🙄
Or maybe I regard my beliefs as false and theirs as true?

You choose.

If you regard your own beliefs as true why don't you think someone else should also have 'true beliefs' like you?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Alternatively it could be your understanding of the Bible that is flawed.

No. It's flawed.

Originally posted by @eladar
I am not hurt. I am just stating a fact.

Not many 'facts' on the SF ,bro 😉

Originally posted by @divegeester
If God created us, then how is that free will?

If God intervenes in some supernatural way, how is that impacting free will?

If God says "thou shalt not...." doesn't that impact free will?

If God creates a scenario which implies love me of I'll burn you alive for eternity, where is the free will in that?

If God demands obedience, doesn ...[text shortened]... free will?

If we are driven by hormones to reproduce, doesn't that imply a lack of free will?

There are laws in the universe.

Let's say that I am on the 10th floor of a building.
I am free to jump out of the window.
I am also free to not jump out of the window.

Now if I choose to jump the LAW of gravity will pull me down.
I probably will be smashed on the ground below.

On the way down I cannot complain "There is NO FREEDOM for me !!"

We are free to choose. But because laws do exist we may not always be free to change the consequences of our free choice.

Originally posted by @sonship
Now if I choose to jump the LAW of gravity will pull me down.

Do you really, honestly think this is the same meaning and usage of the word "law" as when it is used in a "law" condemning and punishing homosexuality or adultery or a "law" regulating diet? I don't think it is and I think you are engaging in wordplay. The "law" of gravity is a description of a feature of out physical environment. It isn't 'legislation'. That's a different use of the word "law". I think you know this. I've broached it with you before.

Originally posted by @sonship
There are laws in the universe.

Let's say that I am on the 10th floor of a building.
I am free to jump out of the window.
I am also free to not jump out of the window.

Now if I choose to jump the LAW of gravity will pull me down.
I probably will be smashed on the ground below.

On the way down I cannot complain "There is NO FREEDOM for me !!"
...[text shortened]... s [/i] do exist we may not always be free to change the [b] consequences of our free choice.[/b]

Actually, with the law of gravity, it's not so much that you will be pulled down, but rather that the ground will come up to meet you.

Same result though.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Actually, with the law of gravity, it's not so much that you will be pulled down, but rather that the ground will come up to meet you.

Same result though.

Actually, it's more so that an express highway in space is formed by the mass of the earth, one without exits, where you drive uncontrollably towards your doom.

Same results though.

Originally posted by @sonship
There are laws in the universe.

Let's say that I am on the 10th floor of a building.
I am free to jump out of the window.
I am also free to not jump out of the window.

Now if I choose to jump the LAW of gravity will pull me down.
I probably will be smashed on the ground below.

On the way down I cannot complain "There is NO FREEDOM for me !!"
...[text shortened]... s [/i] do exist we may not always be free to change the [b] consequences of our free choice.[/b]

And yes, of course, people who jump of buildings in order to commit suicide do so out of their own free will 🙄

Originally posted by @great-king-rat
Actually, it's more so that an express highway in space is formed by the mass of the earth, one without exits, where you drive uncontrollably towards your doom.

Same results though.

According to Professor Dave, 'gravity is like the Tito Jackson of cosmic forces." (A minor backing singer).

Same results though.

Originally posted by @great-king-rat
And yes, of course, people who jump of buildings in order to commit suicide do so out of their own free will 🙄

The point is that there are the laws of God.
Though God create sentient beings His creation of them did not cause these laws to not be.

I have some confidence that if a thinking person contemplate this for awhile it should make perfect sense.

God the Creator is righteousness and no greater righteousness can exist.
He has His law, His way, the way things must go and should go.

God also created beings with the power to chose His way or to choose another way.
The potential to choose another way is what gives rise to the existence of sin.

God knew before the creation of all and anything that this potential would be a possibility - a creator or creators choose another way beside the will of God.

God's law is over the way things should go.