Freedom FROM religion foundation!

Originally posted by sonhouse
I have said before the average christian or muslim is no threat. The threat comes from the fact that these extremists seem to gather a lot of political power such as the fight to get creationism taught in science classes in the US. This is not an idle threat. They have a lot of money backing them up. This is a real war and it has to be won by legal battles. ...[text shortened]... and so forth. THIS is the battle being fought by these minority right wing religious perverts.

So you are another extremist just on the other side of religion.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Something I have said several times here, I want freedom FROM religion. Now I find out ( from a little ad in Scientific American) other people thought the exact same thing!

http://ffrf.org/

One of their sayings: Freedom from religion, reason's greetings!

Wow, unbeknownst to me, I found their facebook page and found my son Kevin is part of the group! I can't wait to talk to him about it.

It Is Well With My Soul

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Originally posted by sonhouse
You can't even see the whole idea of a god that requires love is clearly a man made attribute. You can spout all the so-called scripture all you want, it doesn't change the fact that your religion is the result of intelligent design. HUMAN intelligent design.

You don't realize that God is live, and man was made in the image of God. So that means that both man and god should have the quality to love, right? I see love as an attribute given to man by God.

However, at least, I see that you are coming around to the idea of Intelligent Design. But if it is all HUMAN intelligent design, how did a human design his own DNA and put that program in there?

The Instructor

Originally posted by rwingett
You've just now found out about them? My wife and I have been members for years.

You guys all want freedom from religion and yet you spend a lot your time
talking about it with those that do. If I wanted to be free from something
I'd avoid it, not spend so much time engaged with it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You guys all want freedom from religion and yet you spend a lot your time
talking about it with those that do. If I wanted to be free from something
I'd avoid it, not spend so much time engaged with it.
Kelly

It's because we are in the middle of a religious war. Perhaps you noticed the attacks today in the mall in Kenya? That is only one example. Christian fundies want to islamizise the US but with christians in charge. They go way beyond just forcing creationism to be taught in a science class, that is only point one on their agenda. If they got their way, the church WOULD be the government, just like Iran.

There is a concerted all out war on reason in the US. You may not want to believe it but all you have to do is google 'creationism taught in Kentucky schools or some such. They have failed at every turn but their latest trick is doing it playing the freedom of speech card.

That's why I am going to join the freedom FROM religion foundation, didn't know it existed before and you are well aware I have used that phrase myself not knowing it was an official movement.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Is that your beef with religion, that you think religious people are waiting for God to fix things?

Vociferous atheists on this site do not "have a beef with religion" - they are
however concerned about religion when it impacts on their life. I have
defended JWs and Muslims when attacked so I have nothing against any
religion.
BUT
when religions want to change national laws
when religions want to persecute or discriminate against others
when religions want to impose their 'morals' on others
when religions want myth taught in science classes

that is when Sonhouse and others get a tad uneasy.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You guys all want freedom from religion and yet you spend a lot your time
talking about it with those that do. If I wanted to be free from something
I'd avoid it, not spend so much time engaged with it.
Kelly

I see...well that's like saying if we want to live in a world without rapists, murderers, and paedophiles we should just ignore them ... act as though they don't exist! 🙄

You fundamentalists are a force of bad in the world; and I say that the more we trample over your ridiculous faith, then the more socially acceptable it will be for your prey to turn round and say "Sorry guys, but I'm not buying into this crap".

Originally posted by sonhouse
It\'s because we are in the middle of a religious war. Perhaps you noticed the attacks today in the mall in Kenya? That is only one example. Christian fundies want to islamizise the US but with christians in charge. They go way beyond just forcing creationism to be taught in a science class, that is only point one on their agenda. If they got their way, the ...[text shortened]... e and you are well aware I have used that phrase myself not knowing it was an official movement.

You are very insulting here, you cannot be forced into being a Christian it
is either a truthful heart choice or it isn't real. For you to make the claim
that Christians want to 'islamizise' everyone, when Christians are being
murdered over there is very insulting.

There may be some who want to force creation to be taught in science;
however, I'm not one of them and you are lumping everyone with a
religious belief into a group of people who would cut off heads of people
who disagree with them, cut off the noses of women who they claim
have done something wrong. Your hate is as bad as theirs in my opinion
the way you smear people who want nothing but best for others.
Kelly

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Vociferous atheists on this site do not \"have a beef with religion\" - they are
however concerned about religion when it impacts on their life. I have
defended JWs and Muslims when attacked so I have nothing against any
religion.
BUT
when religions want to change national laws
when religions want to persecute or discriminate against others
when ...[text shortened]... igions want myth taught in science classes

that is when Sonhouse and others get a tad uneasy.

It is not just religions that want to change some national laws. Atheists, abortionists, and homosexuals have been changing and wanting to change more national laws than Christians in the USA.

Christians normally want to conserve the national laws against change. Christians only want to change immoral laws and impose moral laws to prevent anarchy.

Christians have been persecuted and discriminated against and you remain silent.

Christians believe evilution is an "evil" myth that should not be taught in Science classes.

Christians believe in preserving the Constitution of the USA to provide freedom of speech and religion and political actions for all citizens.

I think sunhouse is only uneasy because he is not getting his way in everything. He is afraid he is wrong and will have to be accountable to the Creator.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is not just religions that want to change some national laws. Atheists, abortionists, and homosexuals have been changing and wanting to change more national laws than Christians in the USA.

Christians normally want to conserve the national laws against change. Christians only want to change immoral laws and impose moral laws to prevent anarchy.

Ch ...[text shortened]... ing. He is afraid he is wrong and will have to be accountable to the Creator.

The Instructor

You do not represent Christians.

You are however an example of a dangerous extremist.

Originally posted by Agerg
I see...well that's like saying if we want to live in a world without rapists, murderers, and paedophiles we should just ignore them ... act as though they don't exist! 🙄

You fundamentalists are a force of bad in the world; and I say that the more we trample over your ridiculous faith, then the more socially acceptable it will be for your prey to turn round and say "Sorry guys, but I'm not buying into this crap".

Really, having religion in your life is like being a murder, rapist, and so on?
So I take it that hospitals, and food banks that serve their communities are
right up there with porn sites that show the abuse of children in your
opinion if the motivation behind them has something to do with God? You
really do have a lot of hate in you, you are lumping all the people who have
faith in God in the same group that kills for power.
Kelly

Originally posted by wolfgang59
You do not represent Christians.

You are however an example of a dangerous extremist.

I am not trying to murder anyone so I can have 70 virgins in the afterlife. I only wish to defend our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happinesss. How does that make me a dangerous extremist?

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am not trying to murder anyone so I can have 70 virgins in the afterlife. I only wish to defend our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happinesss. How does that make me a dangerous extremist?

The Instructor

Tell us all what you would do if you were in power.

Then we can take turns telling you why you are a dangerous extremist.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Tell us all what you would do if you were in power.

Then we can take turns telling you why you are a dangerous extremist.

I never said I wanted to be in power and rule over other people.

The Instructor