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Originally posted by @fmfOf course I would only be ‘moving the discussion along’ when it suits you. When it doesn’t suit you to answer you ‘refuse to play along’.
Like several other people here, I refuse to play along with your 'we've never discussed this before' trolling, with all your punchlines attendant thereto ['I've never asked you that before', 'If it was worth saying, you'd repeat it', 'so you're saying it's OK for people to do evil things'... etc. etc. ad nauseam]. When you ask about something new, or attempt to move the discussion along like a grown up, I do not dodge on-topic questions
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't play along when you are pretending not to have read or you are pretending not to have understood the content of previous answers to your posts.
Of course I would only be ‘moving the discussion along’ when it suits you. When it doesn’t suit you to answer you ‘refuse to play along’.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerUse the word homosexual if you prefer. So "gay" doesn't appear in the Bible. How many times does the word "homosexual" or "homosexuality" appear in the Bible?
The word gay as you use it is loaded. It means natural behavior. The Bible doesn't seem to indicate that it is natural.
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Originally posted by @fmfMatthew 5:38
Killings gays was once morally sound; now it isn't morally sound.
That's a change of morality, is it not?
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Jesus brought about the new covenant. So yes, rules that applied in the past no longer did.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI use it 100% interchangeably with "homosexual" and "lesbian" [for women]. Bear this in mind when I use the word "gay"; you are entitled to think whatever you want about these words, it makes no difference to me.
The word gay as you use it is loaded.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThat's a change of morality, is it not?
Jesus brought about the new covenant. So yes, rules that applied in the past no longer did.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWell, what word would you want non-superstitious people to use when referring to gays/homosexuals?
They don't so maybe you shouldn't put words in the Bible that aren't there.
Originally posted by @dj2becker"The word morality is not used in the Bible" but you've been going on about how you get your supposedly "objective standard" for morality from it for months. So the "rules" changed, you say. Does that mean killing gays (or whatever you want to call people with homosexual orientation) was once morally sound but now it isn't morally sound anymore, Is that right?
The rules of the old covenant no longer apply. The word morality is not used in the Bible.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat words do you use to refer to gays/homosexuals? Surely you use the same words as me? What is this red herring in aid of?
You are free to use whichever words you prefer.
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Originally posted by @fmfMaybe it would be more accurate to say that Jesus changed the way in which we should apply the law, when He said that he who has no sin should throw the first stone.
"The word morality is not used in the Bible" but you've been going on about how you get your supposedly "objective standard" for morality from it for months. So the "rules" changed, you say. Does that mean killing gays (or whatever you want to call people with homosexual orientation) was once morally sound but now it isn't morally sound anymore, Is that right?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou seem to want to separate 'morality' from the act of killing. Was it morally sound for the ancient Hebrews to kill gays?
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that Jesus changed the way in which we should apply the law, when He said that he who has no sin should throw the first stone.