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Originally posted by scherzoI am glad you brought this up. The history of Christiandom has the embarassing task of explaining away centuries of persecution inflcted by those of faith. Perhaps those who persecuted the Jews thought they were doing Gods work by persecuting the race that murdered Christ and who continue to deny him Messiah. Whatever their reasons, however, they are not supported by scripture nor by the acts and deeds of the 12 apostles.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Knock yourself out. And don't get back up.
Originally posted by whodeyAh, but you admit that Hitler was a Christian and committed the acts that he did in the name of Christianity. That's a start.
I am glad you brought this up. The history of Christiandom has the embarassing task of explaining away centuries of persecution inflcted by those of faith. Perhaps those who persecuted the Jews thought they were doing Gods work by persecuting the race that murdered Christ and who continue to deny him Messiah. Whatever their reasons, however, they are not s ...[text shortened]... brutal, but I have my doubts. Just ask the President of Iran what should be done with them.
Originally posted by whodeyApparently you must be educated as well.
So maybe he spent the first half of his life hating Jews and participating in the mass murder of them as a race but later have a change of heart by becoming a zionist? Hmmm.
Originally posted by scherzoI made no such claim. I am merely stating that Hitler tried to use Christianity for his benefit. There is a huge difference. I asked you for evidence that he was a Christian other than by using it to twist his anti-semetic beliefs into mainstream society.
[b]Ah, but you admit that Hitler was a Christian and committed the acts that he did in the name of Christianity. That's a start.
Originally posted by whodeyHe was a Christian. He truly believed it. He thought he was cleansing Germany, as in making it new and clean and trim and polish.
I made no such claim. I am merely stating that Hitler tried to use Christianity for his benefit. There is a huge difference. I asked you for evidence that he was a Christian other than by using it to twist his anti-semetic beliefs into mainstream society.
Originally posted by scherzoWhat I mean is I don't claim to know what he believed. Did he believe in the Christian God or did he use such a God merely for his own purposes. If he did believe in the Christian God, it makes one wonder why he did not follow his teachings. Either he believed in the Christian God and decided not to follow his teachings or he did not believe in such a God to begin with.
He was a Christian. He truly believed it. He thought he was cleansing Germany, as in making it new and clean and trim and polish.
Unfortunately, of course, in order to "cleanse" his country in the name of God, he had to, you know, just kill 11 million people in cold blood.
Originally posted by scherzoWhat we have is an Islamic world that seems dedicated to the overthrow of the zionist state. This hatred I believe often leads to persecution of Jewish people despite whether or not they are zionists. Then you have people like the President of Iran saying that the Zionists will be cast into the sea while he works feverishly developing a nuclear program for "peaceful" pursuits. Meanwhile, states like Iran are in collaboration with terrorist groups like Hamas in the pursuit to overthrow of the Jewish state as we speak.
You seem to think that Islam is nearing the climax that Christianity did in the 1930s and 40s with the rise of fascists such as Hitler and Franco. How does Islam do such a thing toward Judaism, or, indeed, even Zionism? Have there been any "holocausts" other than the ones that Vilnai committed in March?[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyDid you read what I said? He thought that what he was doing acted in the name of "God"!
What I mean is I don't claim to know what he believed. Did he believe in the Christian God or did he use such a God merely for his own purposes. If he did believe in the Christian God, it makes one wonder why he did not follow his teachings. Either he believed in the Christian God and decided not to follow his teachings or he did not believe in such a God ...[text shortened]... herwise. Biblically, I don't think one would be called a Christian under these circumstances.
Originally posted by whodeyOf course their adversaries aren't going anywhere. They were here first.
What we have is an Islamic world that seems dedicated to the overthrow of the zionist state. This hatred I believe often leads to persecution of Jewish people despite whether or not they are zionists. Then you have people like the President of Iran saying that the Zionists will be cast into the sea while he works feverishly developing a nuclear program for ...[text shortened]... any where any time soon, nor do I see their adversaries going anywhere any time soon either.
Originally posted by scherzoApparently you are not hearing what I am saying. If your words and actions do not correlate it is called hypocrisy and, in fact, Christ was very good as sniffing it out and calling people on it as I recall. That is why Christ hated it so much. People are going around doing things in the name of God when, in reality, it is all for their own purposes. All it does is give God a bad reputation when, in fact, he had NOTHING to do with their actions and in the process hurt innocent people.
Did you read what I said? He thought that what he was doing acted in the name of "God"!