24 Aug 08
Historian John Toland about Hitler: "Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of god. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god..."
Mein Kampf: "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."
Speech in the Reihstag 1938: ""I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."
Also of interest: Hitler mother was not only the third wife of his father but also his half-niece. A papal dispensation was obtained for the marriage.
25 Aug 08
Originally posted by SushillThank you.
Historian John Toland about Hitler: "Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of god. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of god..."
Mein Kampf: "... I am c ...[text shortened]... his father but also his half-niece. A papal dispensation was obtained for the marriage.
Need any more proof, Bosse?
25 Aug 08
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Originally posted by scherzoGoebbels:
Thank you.
Need any more proof, Bosse?
"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay."
Edit - And this is not a public statement, but a diary entry. You should note that the Nazi propaganda machine viewed lies and manipulation of public sentiment to be perfectly justifiable (remember Goebbels most famous quote?). So public statements of religious belief are likely to be used for political purposes and should be treated with caution.
25 Aug 08
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Originally posted by scherzoSome nobody parroting propaganda is hardly proof.
Thank you.
Need any more proof, Bosse?
Proof would be a statement by Hitler talking about his relationship with Christ. After all, Christ is the central figure of the Christian religion. It seems you're incapable of grasping that point.
Let's see you ignore the Goebbels quote now and carry on like someone whose ears are filled with sand.
25 Aug 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI am not willing to look for it but there are plenty of records from eye-witness accounts that state that Hitler only condoned the "church" because otherwise the people would revolt. He never stated he "believed" in Christ as his saviour. This, however, also doesn't disprove he considered himself a Christian. Apparently Toland seems to think he did consider himself a Christian
Some nobody parroting propaganda is hardly proof.
Proof would be a statement by Hitler talking about his relationship with Christ. After all, Christ is the central figure of the Christian religion. It seems you're incapable of grasping that point.
Let's see you ignore the Goebbels quote now and carry on like someone whose ears are filled with sand.
Read the very well written Biography by Ian Kershaw for more answers about Hitler's views on religion and his own "religious" views. From memory I think Kershaw concludes that Hitler had no religious ideas which you could call Christian.
Mein Kampf ... well ... hardly proof of anything besides that Hitler had a very sick mind, but definitely not a trustworthy account of Hitler's believe set.
I don't think Hitler saw himself as a Christian at all. He had only one faith and believe: himself.
btw ... Bosse ... who is the chick in your avatar. Pretty hot!
28 Aug 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageSorry for the late reply; I've been away.
Some nobody parroting propaganda is hardly proof.
Proof would be a statement by Hitler talking about his relationship with Christ. After all, Christ is the central figure of the Christian religion. It seems you're incapable of grasping that point.
Let's see you ignore the Goebbels quote now and carry on like someone whose ears are filled with sand.
Yes, propaganda would be a good method of getting people to be Christian. But, being Hitler, why would he bother? Why would the quote above be less propaganda-ic than Hitler's?
28 Aug 08
Originally posted by scherzoHe didn't use it to get people to be Christian, but to get Christian people on his side. And the reason why the Göbbels quote (I assume that's what you are referring to when you say 'the quote above'😉 is less likely to be propagandistic is obvious - it was not a statement made in public.
Sorry for the late reply; I've been away.
Yes, propaganda would be a good method of getting people to be Christian. But, being Hitler, why would he bother? Why would the quote above be less propaganda-ic than Hitler's?
28 Aug 08
Originally posted by Nordlys1. 'Onward Christian soldiers' exhorts Christians to go forward 'as to war'.
He didn't use it to get people to be Christian, but to get Christian people on his side. And the reason why the Göbbels quote (I assume that's what you are referring to when you say 'the quote above'😉 is less likely to be propagandistic is obvious - it was not a statement made in public.
2. Hitler sent his soldiers to war.
3. Hitler was a Christian
QED