Originally posted by robbie carrobieLet's see, wasn't too long ago the FMF repeatedly urged you to "stop pretending to misunderstand [my] point" to no avail.
I have explained why i think the import of your text was self righteousness, even
though it was not mentioned specifically, try to address the actual content. What this
last statement has to do with anything is tenuous at best.
Seems likely that it is pointless to try to reason with you here.
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Originally posted by KellyJay
I was thinking about if you have enough monkeys typing on type writers you would
at some point in time come up with the works of Shakespeare. I know some here
may not agree with that, others may. Anyone thought about the odds of human
life actually springing up by random mutations? I know the card trick part of the
theory that suggests good mutations st e universe. By then monkey's may have evolved enough to find better use for their time."
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have to agree you are missing something very important here, self-righteousness
if their righteousness is not self righteousness then what is it, for the scriptures make it
clear that a person, while in a state of imperfection, cannot possibly be righteous in the
absolute sense, that is why, the scripture states that they are 'declared righteous', on
the basis of Christ's sacrifice, not actually righteous in the absolute s ...[text shortened]... f course from time to time you may also attempt to address the point the poster was
making.
is not the same thing as our righteousness if our righteousness is through another
other than ourselves. What we can earn on ourselves we can take credit for, we
basically earn it for ourselves, we are good for the sake of effort and our own will,
we are what we make of ourselves, that is our self-rightousness. I reject that for
myself before God, instead I have gone to God through Jesus Christ to be cleaned
by Jesus Christ so that I'm restored to God through Him, God's gift to us. We do
not earn gifts and we would insult those who were trying to bless us with one if we
demanded we have to pay for it. We do not by our efforts get good enough before
God either, there are no amount of good works I could do for that. Once our
relationship is restored we belong to God and can walk with Him doing those things
that He desires, but our effort to get right is taken care of by Jesus.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobI'm not sure evolved is the right word to describe how domestic
I think this may have got lost in the mire -
Let's start from what we know instead.
Domesticated dogs evolved from wolves, i think we can agree on that. Do you accept that the other members of the Canidae family, ie wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, all share the same common ancestor?
dogs came into existence. Maybe adaptation and mutation would
be better. It is also not clear that the wolf was the only canine
that all dogs came from. Wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes are
canines, that I agree, but it is not clear they all had a common
ancester and what this common ancestor would be if true.
Originally posted by Proper KnobHighly likely I'd say.
I think this may have got lost in the mire -
Let's start from what we know instead.
Domesticated dogs evolved from wolves, i think we can agree on that. Do you accept that the other members of the Canidae family, ie wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes, all share the same common ancestor?
Kelly
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Originally posted by RJHindsRJ, mutation and adaptation IS evolution., that's how the process works.
I'm not sure evolved is the right word to describe how domestic
dogs came into existence. Maybe adaptation and mutation would
be better. It is also not clear that the wolf was the only canine
that all dogs came from. Wolves, foxes, jackals, coyotes are
canines, that I agree, but it is not clear they all had a common
ancester and what this common ancestor would be if true.
Also, a large genetic study carried out in 1997 clearly showed that dogs are ancestors of the Gray Wolf, no other canines were involved. Some member of the canine family can still interbreed, some cannot.
Originally posted by KellyJayI didn't know this bit not all members of the canine family can interbreed -
Highly likely I'd say.
Kelly
The wolf, dingo, dog, coyote, and golden jackal diverged relatively recently, around three to four million years ago, and all have 78 chromosomes arranged in 39 pairs. This allows them to hybridize freely (barring size or behavioral constraints) and produce fertile offspring. The side-striped jackal and black-backed jackal both have 74 chromosomes. Other members of the Canidae family, which diverged seven to ten million years ago, are less closely related to and cannot hybridize with the wolf-like canids; the red fox has 38 chromosomes, the raccoon dog has 42 chromosomes, the fennec fox has 64 chromosomes, and the African wild dog has 78 chromosomes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canid_hybrid
Originally posted by Proper KnobWhat is the common ancestor of the gray wolf?
RJ, mutation and adaptation [b]IS evolution., that's how the process works.
Also, a large genetic study carried out in 1997 clearly showed that dogs are ancestors of the Gray Wolf, no other canines were involved. Some member of the canine family can still interbreed, some cannot.[/b]