@kingdavid403 saidSo, once again, in other words, good works are required.
If you have true faith, you will have good works; if you live that long. The two cannot be separated.
Faith and good works go hand in hand.
People ho say they have faith but do not have good works, their faith is not true and their faith is dead.
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@fmf saidPeople who say they have faith but do not have good works, their faith is not true; and, their faith is dead.
So, once again, in other words, good works are required.
However, as the thief on the cross, people who come to God aka Jesus on their death beds, they are still saved. Even without having done good works or acts of righteousness.
So no, it is NOT required for salvation.
One with faith will do them if possible, if they have faith. However, in some cases, it is not possible to do them.
Extremely clear and so is the Bible on this matter. No need to go one with you from here. 🙂
@fmf saidTake a look at The Very User-Friendly Diet Thread 182354
This sounds like clinging to a straw in a legalistic way. So, obeying Jesus' commandments and doing good works "...is NOT always an absolute requirement to be saved". Indeed it sounds like an ideology pitched to people who want the easiest way possible to [tell themselves they have] everlasting life. If Jesus died for your "sins", don't you have to obey his teachings in return?
@kingdavid403 saidBut there is no "salvation" without good works.
So no, it is NOT required for salvation.
I don't agree with your interpretation of the thief on the cross. I think it simply means that you can be "saved" even if you have done bad things in your life.
@kingdavid403 saidIn other words, good works are required. Without them, there is no "salvation".
People who say they have faith but do not have good works, their faith is not true; and, their faith is dead.
@fmf saidYou're entitled to your beliefs and opinions.
But there is no "salvation" without good works.
I don't agree with your interpretation of the thief on the cross. I think it simply means that you can be "saved" even if you have done bad things in your life.
@fmf saidYes, you troll often; I already know that.
Take a look at The Very User-Friendly Diet Thread 182354
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@fmf saidSo no, it is NOT required for salvation.
In other words, good works are required. Without them, there is no "salvation".
One with faith will do them if possible, if they have faith. However, in some cases, it is not possible to do them. Such as those who come to God aka Jesus on their deathbeds. Which is much more often than you may think.
Extremely clear and so is the Bible on this matter. No need to go on with you from here on this matter. 🙂
@kingdavid403 said"Jesus, thank you for dying in order to 'save' me. Unfortunately, I just need to point this out: it is not possible for me to do any good works or obey you or to avoid "sin" or to strive to live a righteous life. Fortunately, I'm told it's OK. Once again, thanks for laying down your life for me."
One with faith will do them if possible, if they have faith. However, in some cases, it is not possible to do them.
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@fmf saidWho said this lie? You? Yep. lol...
"Jesus, thank you for dying in order to 'save' me. Unfortunately, I just need to point this out: it is not possible for me to do any good works or obey you or to avoid "sin" or to strive to live a righteous life. Fortunately, I'm told it's OK. Once again, thanks for laying down your life for me."
You're On another childish troll tangent I see. Good luck with that. lol...
You already lost. lol...
@kingdavid403 saidFor how many of the world's 2.2 billion Christians, do you think, is doing good works "not possible" for them?
So no, it is NOT required for salvation.
One with faith will do them if possible, if they have faith. However, in some cases, it is not possible to do them.
If they don't do good works, isn't their faith dead?
@kingdavid403 saidIt isn't a "tangent". It is a parody of what you are extrapolating from the text.
Who said this lie? You? Yep. lol...
You're On another childish troll tangent I see. Good luck with that. lol...
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@fmf saidIf they don't do good works, isn't their faith dead?
For how many of the world's 2.2 billion Christians, do you think, is doing good works "not possible" for them?
If they don't do good works, isn't their faith dead?
Yep, and there are many of them.
Unless, they were unable to do good works before their death in the Lord.
@kingdavid403 saidSo, ballpark figure, how many of the world's 2.2 billion Christians, do you think, is doing good works "not possible" for them?
If they don't do good works, isn't their faith dead?
Yep, and there are many of them.