30 Jul 07
Thats very convenient. If someone helps themself they don't need help anyway, and how do we know any positive results were brought about by God when it could very possibly have been brought about by the person who helped themself.
And what about people who can't help themselves, such as profoundly disabled and retarded people. Are we to take it that God will not help them because they can't help themselves? That's not very Christian. In fact God doesn't seem to help retarded people much, that job is left for families and the state.
God helps those who help themselves............what a stupid thing to say. I'm not criticising "God", I'm criticising a religion that says stupid things.
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by twiceaknightWhat religion says this?
Thats very convenient. If someone helps themself they don't need help anyway, and how do we know any positive results were brought about by God when it could very possibly have been brought about by the person who helped themself.
And what about people who can't help themselves, such as profoundly disabled and retarded people. Are we to take it that ...[text shortened]... to say. I'm not criticising "God", I'm criticising a religion that says stupid things.
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by twiceaknightGod helps those who realize they can't help themselfs, and turn to Him for help.
Thats very convenient. If someone helps themself they don't need help anyway, and how do we know any positive results were brought about by God when it could very possibly have been brought about by the person who helped themself.
And what about people who can't help themselves, such as profoundly disabled and retarded people. Are we to take it that ...[text shortened]... to say. I'm not criticising "God", I'm criticising a religion that says stupid things.
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by twiceaknightI've heard it, but it doesn't seem to be consistent with my understanding of the message that Jesus brought. Perhaps it's a rationalization for those who have trouble truly following His teachings.
It's something I have been told all my life by Christians. Have you never heard it before?
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by twiceaknightYes I've heard it before. And I've even had several supposed christians claim to me it is written in the Bible. Then I ask them to show me were, and of course they can't. and then I tell them that it is not written anywhere in the bible.
It's something I have been told all my life by Christians. Have you never heard it before?
Oh really???? is usually their response.
This is just one reason why it is so important to read the bible yourselfs. I've heard way bigger lies than this one.
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by jaywillAlthough neither sayings can be found in the Bible, they both have Biblical support . In the Bible , the words 'clean' and unclean' appear almost 600 times as God gave instructions on the lifestyle the Jews must live. In the NT Christ's parable of the talents is a clear indication that, to those who work more will be given and those who do not, even the small amount that they have will be taken away.
Tis a traditional saying like "Cleanliness is next to godliness."
It is not in the Bible.
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Rajk999God helps those who help themselfs.
[b]Although neither sayings can be found in the Bible, they both have Biblical support . In the Bible , the words 'clean' and unclean' appear almost 600 times as God gave instructions on the lifestyle the Jews must live. bIn the NT Christ's parable of the talents is a clear indication that, to those who work more will be given and those who do not, even the small amount that they have will be taken away.[/]
(In the NT Christ's parable of the talents is a clear indication that, to those who work more will be given and those who do not, even the small amount that they have will be taken away.)
The parable of the talents you are referring to are in Mathew chapter 25: verses 14-30.
I see the talents as my God given abilites to do the will of God, aka, Jesus. It has not much to do with working a job, or working for myself in my opnion.
If you keep reading in Mathew chapter 25 and read verses 31 threw 46 Jesus explains some of His will that we should do for Him.
Mathew 25:35 For I ( meaning anyone) was hungry and you gave ME food. I was thirsty and you gave ME drink.
25:36 I was naked and you clothed ME. I was sick and you visited ME; I was in prison and you came to visit ME.
I see none of these things as helping myself. In fact if you really think about it they all kinda put me out of my personal life on this earth. Or mostly put me out of my personal comfort zone.
And they are all about helping & loving OTHERS in need. No matter what their reason. and without judging them.
I am not saying in anyway that being lazy or not working has anything to do with God's will.
In fact he gives us the choice. Those who don't work won't eat. If they can work and have something to eat. Don't cry to God for food if He's supplying you a job or a means to have food to eat.
If you are broke and don't have food and someone offers you food and you refuse it because of pride. guess what? Your going to bed hungry tonight.
If God helps those that help themselfs is a traditional christian saying,
I would think it needs to change to, God helps those that help others, And shows love to others. Or something like that.
In my opinion.
30 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Rajk999It is true that there are spiritual dangers for a person to fall into passivity. But it is important to realize that in the new covenant the "help" that God renders to people is "helping" them to live Christ.
Although neither sayings can be found in the Bible, they both have Biblical support . In the Bible , the words 'clean' and unclean' appear almost 600 times as God gave instructions on the lifestyle the Jews must live. In the NT Christ's parable of the talents is a clear indication that, to those who work more will be given and those who do not, even the small amount that they have will be taken away.
"I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave Himself up for me." (Gal. 2:20)
God helps believers to learn to let Christ live in them.
God helps people into the realm of Jesus Christ. And the troublesome circumstances believers find themselves in are designed to "help" them to live dependent and in union with Jesus. The help that man needs is the help to live by Christ, live out Christ, and live unto Christ by the grace of Christ.
The "Helper" or the "Comforter" of the Holy Spirit always helps the believers to be more reliant on Christ as their life and life supply.
The help God renders man is helping man into union with God Himself. Sometimes God will just help you. But this is elementary help to soften your heart so that you open up to Him more.
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by twiceaknightI was just about to start a thread on how that phrase held little if any truth.
Thats very convenient. If someone helps themself they don't need help anyway, and how do we know any positive results were brought about by God when it could very possibly have been brought about by the person who helped themself.
And what about people who can't help themselves, such as profoundly disabled and retarded people. Are we to take it that ...[text shortened]... to say. I'm not criticising "God", I'm criticising a religion that says stupid things.
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by KingDavid403Tell me a big lie!!!
Yes I've heard it before. And I've even had several supposed christians claim to me it is written in the Bible. Then I ask them to show me were, and of course they can't. and then I tell them that it is not written anywhere in the bible.
Oh really???? is usually their response.
This is just one reason why it is so important to read the bible yourselfs. I've heard way bigger lies than this one.