@philokalia saidYes, you seem obsessed ~ with me in particular. You offer me advice incessantly and you offer others advice about me incessantly.
It's a mistake for me, now, to even weigh into this.
@fmf saidI would rather say that the Jews generally accepted Jesus. it is the religious leaders who rejected Him and motivated the crowd to ask for His crucifiction. Jesus and John preached to many thousands of Jews who accepted Christ as the Messiah. Modern day Jews have not rejected Jesus. What they have done is to say that he has not come yet. They are waiting for the Messiah to come.
But the Jews rejected Jesus and see him as a fake and an imposter. The country of Israel characterizes itself as the Jewish state. When you say "Israel is God's country", which "God" are you talking about?
@philokalia saidAccording to the Bible, all who live righteously will be with God.
If God had made Himself clear, there'd be no one but Orthodox Christians. That's a much bigger debate and I do not want to get into some feud with other Christians here -- but I do believe all Trinitarian Chrisitans who are puttign forward a good effort at a relationship with God and in walking with God will be with God.
But even this I cannot know. It's just something I think to be true. But I have no final say in any of that.
All who live sinfully will be destroyed
All who do neither will live and die as animals do never to be raised.
The bible has said nothing about Trinitarian Christians.
Neither is the expression relationship with God in the bible.
Its all your church doctrine.
-Removed-Would it be absurd for a family to believe that they have been blessed by God because of their prosperity and overcoming of adversity?
... Wouldn't it be irrelevant what things happened in the distance past taht were unsavory, and wouldn't it be irrelevant what befell some of the family members who may have been damning themselves through their own deeds...
Doesn't it just matter what the sons & daughters of yeoman farmers were able to become prosperoous, happy people..?
I have heard many people here in Korea speak of their own country as a miracle. To this day, they speak of the economic revolution that occurred here as the miracle on the Han.
This has been a blessed country as well, and why would anyone who believes in God take these sayings and joys from a people who clearly were blessed.
@fmf saidWhat kind of a stupid question is that?
But the Jews rejected Jesus and see him as a fake and an imposter. The country of Israel characterizes itself as the Jewish state. When you say "Israel is God's country", which "God" are you talking about?
If you had read my previous posts you'd know.
@philokalia saidNailed it.
I think that this is not that far from the mark, but it is probably not against TOS. He is very careful to ensure that direct insults aren't issued, but he also keeps records of what people say (and decontextualizes them) in an attempt to shame people and control dramatic narratives.
@secondson saidWhen do you think Israel stopped being "God's country"?
What kind of a stupid question is that?
If you had read my previous posts you'd know.
@fmf saidGoodness! If I'm not mistaken I think this is the first time I've seen you call Rajk out on his "peculiar assertions".
Your peculiar assertions aside, theistic Jews, whether they be modern or not modern, rejected and reject the Jesus that you worship.
And peculiar they are, as well as convoluted.
A note of caution: don't be so certain Rajk worships the Jesus of the Bible.
@fmf saidYour question assumes Israel "stopped being God's country".
I am asking you.
I'm asking you when did that happen.
I'm assuming you know and understand that the Bible teaches that God is "the God of Israel" as it is stated so over 300 times in scripture.
God created the nation of Israel, and as far as I can see God has never stopped being the God of Israel.