Originally posted by SuzianneFair enough—though I’ll replace your “usually” with “sometimes”. That’s because—as you well know—an argument that one makes is just as often dismissed based on something they mentioned in their personal history, regardless of the logical merits of the argument.
To be completely fair, 'personal history;' is [b]usually relevant in conversation (in ages past, people were expected to learn from others' mistakes and sucesses), but certain people here (probably in part because of this wonderful thing called the "anonymity of the internet" ) love to belittle others who do point at examples from their own lives to mak ...[text shortened]... anecdotes "trivial" just to make themselves feel better, and not because they are "irrelevant".[/b]
-Removed-So then take note by all means. I refuse to answer any question I damn well please not to answer.
You on the other hand are refusing to read the Bible. All you have to do is quote the verse or verses that apply and at least pose an honest question, but instead, like FMF, you seem to want to create a controversy by making inflammatory and unsubstantiated remarks.
It is you, FMF and others that are being disingenuous by refusing to engage in an honest debate. Therefore I refuse to fall into your words trap by answering emotionally based lines of dishonest and subjective quarreling.
Originally posted by josephwWhat about the Christian posters that propagate the "eternal torture" doctrine here? Do you agree with their interpretation or disagree with it?
It is you, FMF and others that are being disingenuous by refusing to engage in an honest debate. Therefore I refuse to fall into your words trap by answering emotionally based lines of dishonest and subjective quarreling.
Originally posted by FMFWhat does it say FMF?
Are you also refusing to read the Bible? I think not. So, if you are reading it, what is your interpretation of what it says on this issue?
Show me the verse and/or verses you are referring to. What verse or verses can you provide that support the "eternal torture" doctrine you're talking about?
I'm going to bed now.
Originally posted by josephwI am asking you: what is your interpretation?
What does it say FMF?
Show me the verse and/or verses you are referring to. What verse or verses can you provide that support the "eternal torture" doctrine you're talking about?
I'm going to bed now.
The verses that supposedly support the torturer God/"eternal torture" interpretation have already been presented by proponents of the doctrine here, many times. Do you accept or reject the doctrine?
Originally posted by FMF"I am asking you: what is your interpretation?"
I am asking you: what is your interpretation?
The verses that supposedly support the torturer God/"eternal torture" interpretation have already been presented by proponents of the doctrine here, many times. Do you accept or reject the doctrine?
Try to understand this. God's Word is not interpreted by man, that is, if one really wants to understand it, but instead is interpreted by the Word of God.
It's kind of like what you're doing when you try to tell me what I mean by what I say, my motives, meanings and purpose. I mean what I say by the words I use, and in how I use them. But being fallible I am going to make mistakes.
God is infallible, and makes no mistakes. God says so in His Word. It's not for me or any other to interpret what an infallible God means by what He says.
What is for me to do is to study God's Word as much as I can from cover to cover, meditate on it, pray about it, and compare scripture with scripture. Then, with the help of the Holy Spirit, I, through the course of a lifetime, and with experience, I learn to understand what God means by what He says.
Any other's contradictory beliefs notwithstanding.
Refrain from the use of misleading, misrepresentative and inflammatory language and provide the verses in question that seem to evoke such hostile emotions in you and I will be glad to discuss the topic.
Originally posted by josephwYou surely cannot be unaware of the "eternal torture" doctrine? So do you accept it or reject it?
Refrain from the use of misleading, misrepresentative and inflammatory language and provide the verses in question that seem to evoke such hostile emotions in you and I will be glad to discuss the topic.
Originally posted by josephwBut surely you acknowledge that Christians interpret things in different ways and that Christians disagree over various things, sometimes fundamental things? Do you seriously believe that "God's word" is not interpreted by people? Did you think this claim over for even a whole second before clicking on 'Post'?
Try to understand this. God's Word is [b]not interpreted by man, that is, if one really wants to understand it, but instead is interpreted by the Word of God. [/b]