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Originally posted by RJHinds
We live in a closed system
No we don't. See that big fiery ball in the sky? It just keeps on giving.


Originally posted by C Hess
No we don't. See that big fiery ball in the sky? It just keeps on giving.
The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.


(Isaiah 40:8 NASB)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

(Matthew 24:35 NASB)


Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.


(Isaiah 40:8 NASB)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

(Matthew 24:35 NASB)[/b]
You're gonna use the bible to support your claim that the second law applies? That's funny
in so many ways. 😵

Just look into the sky dude. I realise it might be cloudy where you are, but trust me, the sun
is still there, feeding energy into our world.

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Originally posted by C Hess
You're gonna use the bible to support your claim that the second law applies? That's funny
in so many ways. 😵

Just look into the sky dude. I realise it might be cloudy where you are, but trust me, the sun
is still there, feeding energy into our world.
The Sun's Death: Sooner Rather than Later

http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/uspeak/sept_00_uspeak.mhtml

Uncontrolled energy does not produce evolution.


Originally posted by RJHinds
The Sun's Death: Sooner Rather than Later

http://www.mhhe.com/physsci/astronomy/uspeak/sept_00_uspeak.mhtml
Also not a good example. As it's written in that page we're talking billions of years, and as
long as the sun keeps giving, evolution has enough energy. Come back in so many billion
years (when the light is out) and I'll agree that it's a closed system.

Until then, I win, you lose. 😏


Originally posted by C Hess
Also not a good example. As it's written in that page we're talking billions of years, and as
long as the sun keeps giving, evolution has enough energy. Come back in so many billion
years (when the light is out) and I'll agree that it's a closed system.

Until then, I win, you lose. 😏
The God of the Holy Bible says it is sooner rather than later, too. Like very soon! You can forget about billions of years; and evolution can not harness and control energy from the sun and do anything with it. Only God can do that.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
... by Sam Harris?
No


Originally posted by RJHinds
...evolution can not harness and control energy from the sun and do anything with it...
Ever heard of photosynthesis, my ill-educated friend?

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Originally posted by Suzianne
No.

It was a joke, hun.

You saw The Empire Strikes Back, yes?

"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." -- Yoda
damn it! ive been out geeked.

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Originally posted by redbarons
if we are all created in gods image why didn't he make a better job.
It was good enough so that when Adam sinned and got polluted and sin infested, it took over 900 years for him to wear down.


Originally posted by sonship
It was good enough so that when Adam sinned and got polluted and sin infested, it took over 900 years for him to wear down.
900 years is pretty arbitrary number and is not an example of a good design as god could create adams body to last any number of years.


Originally posted by stellspalfie
900 years is pretty arbitrary number and is not an example of a good design as god could create adams body to last any number of years.
It's also a completely fictional lifespan for a completely fictional person...

And thus can't really be cited as evidence of anything.

Just saying 😉

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Originally posted by C Hess
Ever heard of photosynthesis, my ill-educated friend?
Yes, of course, photosynthesis is a process designed by God in plants to produce food and oxygen needed for the various life forms He was to create.

Green plants are a beautiful part of Earth’s environment, and they are essential for life. God created them on the 3rd day of Creation Week (Genesis 1:10–13), before animals, and even before the sun. At the beginning of creation, humans and all animals were herbivores (Genesis 1:29–30).

Even now, plants are the basis of the food chain, because they don’t require their own food but make it from sunlight via photosynthesis. In this process, they also produce the oxygen (O2) which is essential for all air-breathing life. Photosynthesis is therefore one of the most important chemical reactions on Earth. If we could duplicate it, it would probably solve all the world’s energy problems. But even the most ingenious chemists have yet to match the ingenious machinery of the humble plant.

Recent research indicates that there was oxygen even in the ‘oldest’ rocks on earth, which evolutionists ‘date’ to 3.7 billion years old (Ga). This in turn suggests that there were green plants to produce it. However, evolutionists claim that the earth was being bombarded by meteorites till about 3.8 Ga.

Yet this latest research shows that life existed almost as soon as the earth was able to support it. There is just no room for ‘billions and billions of years’ for life to evolve. And this life was not just the simplest type, but was advanced enough to photosynthesize.

Also, this research is devastating for chemical evolutionary theories of the origin of life. The famous gas discharge experiments by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey must exclude free oxygen, because oxygen destroys organic molecules, and makes them impossible to form in the first place. But if oxygen is as old as the oldest rocks, there is no geological evidence to support the hypothetical oxygen-free atmosphere required.


http://creation.com/green-power-photosynthesis

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, of course, photosynthesis is a process designed by God in plants to produce food and oxygen needed for the various life forms He was to create.

[b]Green plants are a beautiful part of Earth’s environment, and they are essential for life. God created them on the 3rd day of Creation Week (Genesis 1:10–13), before animals, and even before the sun. At th ...[text shortened]... othetical oxygen-free atmosphere required.


http://creation.com/green-power-photosynthesis[/b]
"Yes, of course, photosynthesis is a process designed by God in plants to produce food and oxygen needed for the various life forms He was to create."
Doesn't say anything about photosynthesis in the bible. You use once again "god-did-it-that- way" and no science is needed to explain anything. How wrong you are.

Your link from the creationist site has its flaws showing they are trying to desinform the feeble minded.

Oxygen has always been present. Oxygen is not magically just there in a moment. Water consist of oxygen very much more than hydrogen by mass, so there was a lot of oxygene present, oceans of it. Just as today.

The first life wasn't dependant of oxygen, it wasn't essential for them.

The photosynthesis isn't very effective. We will find a much better photosynthesis in time, much better than the natural one.

Don't rely your knowledge on creationist sources. They have an agenda when they desinform people. Instead go directly to science to learn.