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    19 Jun '13 13:53
    Originally posted by sonship
    Your post is way too long. Shorten it up or I can't read it.
    on the contrary, none of my posts take up more than a monitors worth. That means no scrolling down reams of text. I am concise as Jesus was concise.
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    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    will child birth still happen in gods kingdom on earth?
    I believe the answer is yes. But if I explain why I think that the post will be too long probably.
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    19 Jun '13 14:032 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    on the contrary, none of my posts take up more than a monitors worth. That means no scrolling down reams of text. I am concise as Jesus was concise.
    Jesus was at times concise. And some of that conciseness you JWs have exploited in order to twist the truth and preach "another Jesus."

    Ie. "Before Abraham came into being, I Am." (John 8:58)

    Concise enough for Watchtower theologians to twist the meaning to deny Jesus is reclaiming what God claimed in Exodus 3:14.
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    19 Jun '13 14:31
    Originally posted by sonship
    I believe the answer is yes. But if I explain why I think that the post will be too long probably.
    personally i dont mind reading pages and pages as long as its your own words, with the odd bit of scripture here and there.
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    19 Jun '13 14:35
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Its a statement based on my experience, I am not asking anyone to speculate on whether it is true or false or anything else, your knit picking fails.
    "Its a statement based on my experience"

    so that would be speculation then. knit picking not failed.
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    19 Jun '13 14:401 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    personally i dont mind reading pages and pages as long as its your own words, with the odd bit of scripture here and there.
    Well, I have a belief. And it is based on my own personal experience in coming to know Christ.

    This takes time. And years from now someone may not remember any of the arguments that are waged back and forth here today. But for some reason they may remember a passage from the Bible.

    Besides, I want you to see where I get the biblical rational to say a certain thing. That may be unimportant to some readers. But it is how I was taken care of early in my spiritual discovery. So it is important to me help others along the similar path that I came.
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    19 Jun '13 14:44
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    "Its a statement based on my experience"

    so that would be speculation then. knit picking not failed.
    why? is my experience speculative, hardly, you fail again knit picker.
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    19 Jun '13 14:46
    If I say anything else on this thread on the Kingdom it will be related to the Kingdom.
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    19 Jun '13 14:502 edits
    Originally posted by sonship
    Jesus was at times concise. And some of that conciseness you JWs have exploited in order to twist the truth and preach "another Jesus."

    Ie. [b]"Before Abraham came into being, I Am." (John 8:58)


    Concise enough for Watchtower theologians to twist the meaning to deny Jesus is reclaiming what God claimed in Exodus 3:14. [/b]
    been through it a zillion times. 'I am' is not even a proper translation of the Hebrew and assigning special significance to the personal pronoun and the verb 'to be', in the case of Jesus is just about as ludicrous as you crazies get. The passage is simply a reference to Christ's pre human existence, if you examined the Greek idiomatic construct you would know this but you would rather cling to your neo platonic paganism instead. You have made the word of God invalid because of your traditions and the error is your own.
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    19 Jun '13 15:00
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    why? is my experience speculative, hardly, you fail again knit picker.
    you have come to a conclusion based on conjecture. it is not 'fact' that your understanding of the bible is the correct one. so your statement is therefore speculation.
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    19 Jun '13 15:041 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    you have come to a conclusion based on conjecture. it is not 'fact' that your understanding of the bible is the correct one. so your statement is therefore speculation.
    are you disputing my personal experience, on what basis are you disputing it, you have not said. If you have no basis and let us be clear you do not because you are not me then its hardly speculative, in fact its rather absolute.
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    19 Jun '13 15:13
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    are you disputing my personal experience, on what basis are you disputing it, you have not said. If you have no basis and let us be clear you do not because you are not me then its hardly speculative, in fact its rather absolute.
    interesting argument. you seem to be trying to argue that any conclusion you come to based on your life experience should be considered fact..........on the basis that 'we are not you'........hilarious. this also seems to imply that speculation and factual evidence are mutually exclusive, which is incorrect.

    as i stated previously. i think your statement is based on scripture and your understanding of the bible.....am i incorrect?
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    been through it a zillion times. 'I am' is not even a proper translation of the Hebrew and assigning special significance to the personal pronoun and the verb 'to be', in the case of Jesus is just about as ludicrous as you crazies get. The passage is simply a reference to Christ's pre human existence, if you examined the Greek idiomatic construct you would know this but you would rather cling to your neo platonic paganism instead. You have made the word of God invalid because of your traditions and the error is your own.


    I could say that this reply is too lengthy. Couldn't I ?
    How come just eight to twelve words was not used ?

    I can see through your thin tissue of excuses.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    on the contrary, none of my posts take up more than a monitors worth. That means no scrolling down reams of text. I am concise as Jesus was concise.
    Conciseness test - 7 page downs (FAIL 😞) to read this:

    Edit: heh - Jesus just got his post shortened by Russ!

    He said:

    3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    4 Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
    5 Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
    6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
    7 Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
    8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
    9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.
    10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
    Salt and Light

    13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

    14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
    The Fulfillment of the Law

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
    Murder

    21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

    23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

    25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
    Adultery

    27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
    Divorce

    31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
    Oaths

    33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.[g]
    Eye for Eye

    38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
    Love for Enemies

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    Giving to the Needy

    6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

    2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
    Prayer

    5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

    9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

    “‘Our Father in heaven,
    hallowed be your name,
    10 your kingdom come,
    your will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven.
    11 Give us today our daily bread.
    12 And forgive us our debts,
    as we also have forgiven our debtors.
    13 And lead us not into temptation,[j]
    but deliver us from the evil one.[k]’

    14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
    Fasting

    16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, 18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
    Treasures in Heaven

    19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

    22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[l] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[m] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

    24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
    Do Not Worry

    25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[n]?

    28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
    Judging Others

    7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you wi...
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    19 Jun '13 18:38
    Originally posted by sonship
    [quote] been through it a zillion times. 'I am' is not even a proper translation of the Hebrew and assigning special significance to the personal pronoun and the verb 'to be', in the case of Jesus is just about as ludicrous as you crazies get. The passage is simply a reference to Christ's pre human existence, if you examined the Greek idiomatic construct you ...[text shortened]... eight to twelve words was not used ?

    I can see through your thin tissue of excuses.
    be concise and ill read your posts,

    now while i realise that no discipline is pleasant at present, in the long run, it yields righteousness.
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