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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
where is the evidence for it (Gods unconditional love)
where is the evidence for it (Gods unconditional love), so far these Christians are simply drooling the drool and slobbering the slobber.
Years ago I read that the Jehovah's Witness religion was a religion based upon hate. I didn't quite understand this then.
After some years of reading your posts it has become more apparent that it is the case. Foundational to your whole Watchtower theology is a contempt and hatred for people who believe in Christ according to the New Testament.
, so far these Christians are simply drooling the drool and slobbering the slobber.
"[T]hese Christians" which you never quoted but easily imagined up that you may pour your contempt upon them. You do appear to be on the walls of the Watchtower keeping out watch for believers in Jesus Christ to speak despicably about.
Originally posted by divegeesterIts not about a Christians command to love their enemies, its about Gods unconditional love and if there is any evidence for that.
Can you explain how? Simply asserting it does not make it so.
Are you suggesting that Christ would command us to love our enemies and then add conditions to that love? How do you see that working?
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30 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't really care about God or his love but if you know any in your high command could you do me a favour and tell the bunch of JW nutters to stop knocking on my door.thank you
Its not about a Christians command to love their enemies, its about Gods unconditional love and if there is any evidence for that.
Originally posted by redbaronswhy dont you tell them yourself, i am sure they would much rather speak to someone pleasant than a grumpy ol lemon sucker anyhow!
I don't really care about God or his love but if you know any in your high command could you do me a favour and tell the bunch of JW nutters to stop knocking on my door.thank you
Ok lets see if we can address the actual issue, Gods unconditional love, any evidence.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes there is evidence for unconditional love and that conditional love is unsupported in scripture; and I've explained that with evidence, on page one.
Its not about a Christians command to love their enemies, its about Gods unconditional love and if there is any evidence for that.
You have dismissed what I posted rather than actually addressing the points.
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30 Apr 14
Originally posted by sonshipI think you are absolutely spot on with this post.where is the evidence for it (Gods unconditional love), so far these Christians are simply drooling the drool and slobbering the slobber.
Years ago I read that the Jehovah's Witness religion was a religion based upon hate. I didn't quite understand this then.
After some years of reading your posts it has become more apparent that it ...[text shortened]... lls of the Watchtower keeping out watch for believers in Jesus Christ to speak despicably about.
30 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSee 1 Cor. 13
It appears to me to be a popular concept at least among our Christian friends that Gods love is unconditional. After having searched the sacred texts I can find no reference to Gods unconditional love, quite the contrary and in fact God place restrictions upon his love. My interest in this idea is two fold, first, if the idea has a scriptural basis ...[text shortened]... res that we exercise faith in his son. That is not unconditional love, but love with a proviso.
Charity, God's love, agape-unconditional love.
Originally posted by josephwand where does it state that its unconditional, you have not said, in fact none of you have. agape is love based on principle. Why it is defined as unconditional love you will now say, because i have never read that from any commentators on scripture ever, with the exception of you.
See 1 Cor. 13
Charity, God's love, agape-unconditional love.
30 Apr 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI have dismissed them because they are as usual, irrelevant. First you talk about a Christians duty to love their enemies as if that has anything to do with gods unconditional love, then you sloober on about cults as if that has anything to do with anything in reality. The best that you have provided to date is evidence of Gods impartiality, that he makes the rain shine upon the righteous and the unrighteous, you have FAILED to say a single thing even remotely resembling a statement about Gods unconditional love and quite frankly i dont think you can get away from the fact that your faith has no rational basis leading to these absurd exchanges.
Yes there is evidence for unconditional love and that conditional love is unsupported in scripture; and I've explained that with evidence, on page one.
You have dismissed what I posted rather than actually addressing the points.
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01 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you suggesting that Christ would command us to love our enemies and then add conditions to that love? How do you see that working?
I have dismissed them because they are as usual, irrelevant. First you talk about a Christians duty to love their enemies as if that has anything to do with gods unconditional love, then you sloober on about cults as if that has anything to do with anything in reality. The best that you have provided to date is evidence of Gods impartiality, that h ...[text shortened]... get away from the fact that your faith has no rational basis leading to these absurd exchanges.
01 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy don't you first tell us were in scripture it says that God's love is conditional.
and where does it state that its unconditional, you have not said, in fact none of you have. agape is love based on principle. Why it is defined as unconditional love you will now say, because i have never read that from any commentators on scripture ever, with the exception of you.
God doesn't need us to be worthy of His love in order for Him to love us. The idea that we can do something that would make us worthy of god's love is born of legalism, of which your brand of religion is predicated on, which explains YOU.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
God's love is unconditional based on the fact that He loved us even when we were lost, and didn't love Him. If you can't fathom that then you need to wake up. Start by NOT reading the Awake magazine. It's putting you to sleep.
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Originally posted by josephwAll of the writings in the Bible where God hated anyone are examples of Gods love being conditional on the actions or behaviour of an individual. God loves certain people and hates certain people for no apparent reason. At least not any that the Bible gives that makes sense to normal people.
Why don't you first tell us were in scripture it says that God's love is conditional.
God doesn't need us to be worthy of His love in order for Him to love us. The idea that we can do something that would make us worthy of god's love is born of legalism, of which your brand of religion is predicated on, which explains YOU.
Romans 5:8
[b]But God comme ...[text shortened]... at then you need to wake up. Start by NOT reading the Awake magazine. It's putting you to sleep.
God loved Jacob and hated Esau. God loved David. There are no real tangible reasons why. Neither is it important to understand why. Thats just the way God is.
02 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI daresay that it surprises no one that you know nothing of God's unconditional love.
I have dismissed them because they are as usual, irrelevant. First you talk about a Christians duty to love their enemies as if that has anything to do with gods unconditional love, then you sloober on about cults as if that has anything to do with anything in reality. The best that you have provided to date is evidence of Gods impartiality, that h ...[text shortened]... get away from the fact that your faith has no rational basis leading to these absurd exchanges.
Maybe if you had a real Bible you could just look it up. This is what your 'beloved' corporation has done to you. They're not doing you any favors, are they?
This is why most religions base their dogma on scripture, instead of the other way around, like yours has done. How's that working out for you? Not well, obviously.