Originally posted by Rajk999Newsflash for you: God doesn't "hate" anyone. God hates sin. This is why He gave His Son for us, so we wouldn't have to pay the wages of sin.
All of the writings in the Bible where God hated anyone are examples of Gods love being conditional on the actions or behaviour of an individual. God loves certain people and hates certain people for no apparent reason. At least not any that the Bible gives that makes sense to normal people.
God loved Jacob and hated Esau. God loved David. There are no real tangible reasons why. Neither is it important to understand why. Thats just the way God is.
That's certainly not hate. That is love.
See John 3:16.
02 May 14
The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau,and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. (Malachi 1:1-3 KJV)
Originally posted by SuzianneThe actual question that I asked was,
I daresay that it surprises no one that you know nothing of God's unconditional love.
Maybe if you had a real Bible you could just look it up. This is what your 'beloved' corporation has done to you. They're not doing you any favors, are they?
This is why most religions base their dogma on scripture, instead of the other way around, like yours has done. How's that working out for you? Not well, obviously.
Is there evidence for Gods unconditional love,
to which you have replied with the obligatory irrational, incohesive, irrelevant, unsubstantiated and blatantly false slobbery drool reminiscent of a grunting brain dead Zombie.
Now if you are having difficulty understanding the question I will explain it for you but to give you a hint, its asking for evidence.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThere is plenty of evidence but you dismiss it rather than consider it as I've lard demonstrated in this thread. Furthermore you seem to under the misapprehension that love is in fact salvation, as I also pointed out to you on page one but you also ignored. You shouldn't expect people to engage with them if are either going to dismiss what they say or abuse them as you have Suzianne here. It's poor "forum etiquette" robbie.
The actual question that I asked was,
[b]Is there evidence for Gods unconditional love,
to which you have replied with the obligatory irrational, incohesive, irrelevant, unsubstantiated and blatantly false slobbery drool reminiscent of a grunting brain dead Zombie.
Now if you are having difficulty understanding the question I will explain it for you but to give you a hint, its asking for evidence.[/b]
Originally posted by divegeesteryou provided nothing but irrelevancy and the usual personal opinions about personalities. A Christian showing love to enemies is not proof of Gods unconditional love, infact its hard to see how its even remotely relevant. Both i and RajK have produced scriptures which you seem blissfully unaware of marking your allusions to forum etiquette with all the hallmarks of hypocrisy which are characteristic of your posts and just to prove it cite Suzianne evidence for us or accept the fact that she has produced like you not a single shred of credible evidence for the claim that Gods love is unconditional.
There is plenty of evidence but you dismiss it rather than consider it as I've lard demonstrated in this thread. Furthermore you seem to under the misapprehension that love is in fact salvation, as I also pointed out to you on page one but you also ignored. You shouldn't expect people to engage with them if are either going to dismiss what they say or abuse them as you have Suzianne here. It's poor "forum etiquette" robbie.
Where is her evidence divesgeester? and lets see you squirm and evade it in predictable fashion as you always do when asked to substantiate your emotionally based claims. WHERE IS HER EVIDENCE?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI debunked your premise with my first post in the thread robbie. You are using wrong scriptural examples of what the condition in question is. Re-read my first few posts and if you address the points in them then I will engage with you further. However if all you want to do is your usual ham-fisted tub-thumping and name calling, then I'll leave you to it.
you provided nothing but irrelevancy and the usual personal opinions about personalities. A Christian showing love to enemies is not proof of Gods unconditional love, infact its hard to see how its even remotely relevant. Both i and RajK have produced scriptures which you seem blissfully unaware of marking your allusions to forum etiquette with all ...[text shortened]... you always do when asked to substantiate your emotionally based claims. WHERE IS HER EVIDENCE?
02 May 14
Originally posted by divegeesterthe evidence, where is it?
I debunked your premise with my first post in the thread robbie. You are using wrong scriptural examples of what the condition in question is. Re-read my first few posts and if you address the points in them then I will engage with you further. However if all you want to do is your usual ham-fisted tub-thumping and name calling, then I'll leave you to it.
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Originally posted by Rajk999When God said "hated", do you think he meant it in the same literal sense as he meant "dragons"?
The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? [b]saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau,and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. (Malachi 1:1-3 KJV)[/b]
06 May 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTheists asking for evidence for anything concerning God, that's a good one.
The actual question that I asked was,
[b]Is there evidence for Gods unconditional love,
to which you have replied with the obligatory irrational, incohesive, irrelevant, unsubstantiated and blatantly false slobbery drool reminiscent of a grunting brain dead Zombie.
Now if you are having difficulty understanding the question I will explain it for you but to give you a hint, its asking for evidence.[/b]
We can therefore suppose that you are not a theist. Go back to your coven.
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Originally posted by divegeesterTrying to twist the Bible? The Greek for hated :
When God said "hated", do you think he meant it in the same literal sense as he meant "dragons"?
sane [saw-nay]'- to hate (personally): - enemy, foe, (be) hate (-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.
Dont know and dont care about the dragons part.
06 May 14
Originally posted by SuzianneHe (god) could just say "you don't have to pay the wages of sin".
Newsflash for you: God doesn't "hate" anyone. God hates sin. This is why He gave His Son for us, so we wouldn't have to pay the wages of sin.
No need to incarnate himself as a man and get himself
nailed to a cross so that he can forgive us.