Spirituality
15 Jul 22
07 Aug 22
@divegeester saidWhat about them? If he wants to talk about them, he can.
What about addressing what FMF has put to you.
07 Aug 22
@fmf saidI said unless we agree that mindlessness can not bring about the universe and life, discussions about who is premature. Once we acknowledge the necessity then it becomes something required. If the necessity of a creator is rejected, who cares how many names are floated, all are rejected out of hand.
But I AM talking to you about the thing you are talking about.
07 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidBut nobody knows for certain, so your point is moot.
I said unless we agree that mindlessness can not bring about the universe and life, discussions about who is premature. Once we acknowledge the necessity then it becomes something required. If the necessity of a creator is rejected, who cares how many names are floated, all are rejected out of hand.
07 Aug 22
@divegeester saidIs certainty required for you?
But nobody knows for certain, so your point is moot.
07 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidMaybe a creator entity of some kind is the 'cause' of the universe, I accept the possibility, but why must we anthropomorphize this entity?
I said unless we agree that mindlessness can not bring about the universe and life, discussions about who is premature. Once we acknowledge the necessity then it becomes something required. If the necessity of a creator is rejected, who cares how many names are floated, all are rejected out of hand.
@kellyjay saidWhy do you feel we must anthropomorphize a creator entity if there is one?
I said unless we agree that mindlessness can not bring about the universe and life, discussions about who is premature. Once we acknowledge the necessity then it becomes something required. If the necessity of a creator is rejected, who cares how many names are floated, all are rejected out of hand.
@kellyjay saidWell, you've answered my question without intending to answer it, so I'll leave it there. As a final word, though, if science has only 50% of the answer to 'the big questions', or only 10%, or only 1%, then it's 50% or 10% or 1% more than your non - evidential, non - questioning belief in a mythological creator entity will ever have.
I have asked you for some specifics; what scientific evidence do you have? With
respect to evolution, even if true, it doesn't solve anything for you; it is still a
process doing highly complex work, and if true, does that reflect something
mindless or designed? Moreover, evolution is a process that requires life to already
exist, it doesn't address the beginning where t ...[text shortened]... and the rest of the universe setup in
such a way that life could happen. Mindless dumb luck or God?