Originally posted by @sonshipDo you see yourself as giving people here wings to fly?
This is not necessarily true.
There should be truth and its path to truth which is both intimately personal and inclusively universal also.
A bird needs two wings to fly. She cannot fly with only one wing.
In the path to reality there is a very personal aspect yet also a corporate aspect.
Striking the balance is needed.
Originally posted by @apathistThese criticisms seem silly to me.
And then you give an opinion. Why do you not check yourself.
Say someone posts a thread on good chess players have certain characteristics which are good to imitate, to follow. Immediately some people grill the writer WHY he does not place himself at the TOP of a list.
Silly.
I think every Christian is probably a leader to somebody.
My more prominent occupation is that I want to be a good follower.
" Let another praise you and not your own mouth; a stranger and not your own lips." (Proverbs 27:2)
Let's all follow that good example.
Originally posted by @sonshipEladar is irreversibly "saved", right? He has "Christ growing in him". You told us that too. It's the ideology you promote. If one wants to follow a Christian, what would be wrong with following him? He quotes scripture like you do. You seem to have authorized yourself to preach about "Good Christians to Follow" So do you think it'd be better to follow you than to follow him?
Does the Bible give us any guidelines on who are good Christians to follow ? I say Yes Indeed. If you live like them and talk like them and think like them, it will be a blessing and profit to you.
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Throughout the years here I have given posters who say they are Christians a benefit of a doubt. I am not quick to claim that I know that they actually are.
When I converse with some posters here I do so as giving them a benefit of a doubt.
Instances when I write something indicating that I have good confidence that this is a genuine Christian brother or sister, are measured and cautious.
This is safe and accommodating.
This approach has been misread by some as me insisting that I KNOW So-and-So just has to be a Christian. I certainly hope they are genuine.
A few, have my fuller confidence that they are.
And a few I approach as open hearted but giving them a cautious benefit of a doubt.
And I would expect and would not mind that others with some wisdom would have the same approach towards me.
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Originally posted by @fmf
Eladar is irreversibly "saved", right? He has "Christ growing in him". You told us that too. It's the ideology you promote. If one wants to follow a Christian, what would be wrong with following him? He quotes scripture like you do. You seem to have authorized yourself to preach about "Good Christians to Follow" So do you think it'd be better to follow you than to follow him?
Eladar is irreversibly "saved", right?
I hope so.
He has "Christ growing in him".
I hope so.
You told us that too.
Where did I tell you that I know Christ is growing in someone personally?
What you read was that in general Christ is for growing in Christians.
Can you quote a positive statement -
Ie. So-and-So, I know that Christ is in you and is growing in you.
I would be surprised if you found that kind of specific quote.
It's the ideology you promote.
Yes, I promote the New Testament salvation.
Is there a "Thou Shalt Not Promote" somewhere that I don't know about ?
If one wants to follow a Christian, what would be wrong with following him?
Why do you want me to approach the matter negatively?
"Prove all things and hold fast that that which is good."
You get to know what Jesus is and what is in the Bible.
You measure all things up to that standard.
Hold fast to the good that you see.
Prove all things against the word of God.
Its not rocket science.
I would not expect it to be good to follow me in all things.
I would expect that one would prove all things and hold fast to the good part.
He quotes scripture like you do. You seem to have authorized yourself to preach about "Good Christians to Follow" So do you think it'd be better to follow you than to follow him?
it sounds like you want to force me to be sectarian.
It sounds like you think a Christian cannot BE a Christian - unless he is a sectarian one.
That is quick to exclude and blackball other Christians.
It sounds like you think any Christian with strong beliefs has to be also one who is divisive and sectarian.
You would love it if I would be just blackball this poster and blackball that poster.
That is a bit perverted that you seem to need this.
There is nothing wrong with me drawing most of my examples - positive and negative, from the New Testament examples more so than personal references here. You're implying that this job of recommending good habits to follow is not legitimate unless i name names from this Forum.
That just feeds your lust to see Christians be sectarian and divisively disagreeing with one another. That's kind of sick IMO.
Originally posted by @sonshipSo, do you endorse Eladar as being a good Christian to follow?Eladar is irreversibly "saved", right?
I hope so.
He has "Christ growing in him".
I hope so.
You told us that too.
Where did I tell you that I know Christ is growing in someone personally?
What you read was that in general Christ is for growing in Christians.
Can you quote a positive statement - ...[text shortened]... e Christians be sectarian and divisively disagreeing with one another. That's kind of sick IMO.
Originally posted by @sonshipSo Eladar is a good Christain to follow to the same extent as you are and Rajk999 is? Can you confirm that positive framing of the question?
There is nothing wrong with me drawing most of my examples from the pages of the New Testament. I am not posting to feed anyone's lust for gloating at Christians here denouncing one another.
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The impetus behind me starting this thread was showing that it is healthy to have good examples of Christians to follow.
Paul told Timothy to that he not only followed his teaching but his manner of life in Christ.
" But you have closely followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings, such as befell me in antioch, in Iconnium, in Lystra. ... " (2 Timothy 3:10)
There is no hint of Paul arguing -
"You copy-cat you! You plagiarizing thief. Go start your own original teachings. Don't get mine and try to push them off to people as your own. Get original ! "
Timothy was a close follower of the Apostle Paul's teaching and example in conduct, long-suffering, endurance, etc. as Paul followed Christ Timothy followed Christ and learn much from Paul who followed Christ.
Don't pay any attention to FMF who wants to morph the thread into me praising or condemning other posters here by name.
I think if you want to get the point, you'll get the point.
Originally posted by @sonshipIf I had to hazard a guess, I would say "the point" is that you would nominate yourself as not only a good Christian to follow out of those here, but as the best one to follow. It's only your inimitable brand of vanity that compels you to refer to all this as "the point" instead of just coming out with it.
I think if you want to get the point, you'll get the point.
Originally posted by @fmf
If I had to hazard a guess, I would say "the point" is that you would nominate yourself as not only a good Christian to follow out of those here,
Then you would be "hazarding" a guess about what you wish to believe, that I am boasting about following me.
You still are spiritually diseased with suspicious and sick questionings.
Would you like to volunteer as a real good negative example of a supposed former Christian to follow ? I mean if you are so anxious for me to point out here a bad example, you could volunteer to be one.