Government, man's replacement for God

@whodey said
I am told to obey the law of the land, so long as it does not conflict with the laws of God.

Ok I’m with you so far.

How does access to free healthcare “conflict with the laws of God”?

@whodey said
John 10:7-18
Then Jesus said to them again, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they ...[text shortened]... his command I have received from My Father.”

So are we sheep in need of a shepherd? Yea or nay?

I think that what makes you and other right-wing American Christians appear hypocritical is posts like this where you talk about Jesus and his values and the next minute you support Trump and his pussy-grabbing values.

Can you not see that?

@suzianne said
"Support" is a personal matter.
The point is that healthcare is not for the church to decide.

I get that, but there is an interesting principle in play here.

@secondson said
No man! We're talkin' revolution, with guns. It won't take long.

How long?

@secondson said
The way our constitution is written, any "law" passed by tyrants that goes against the will of the people is "an attempt to supersede God's commandments".

How do you define the “will of the people” within your constitution?

@secondson said
God bless America, right?! Revolution is in the air.

What revolution? When?

@secondson said
Would you have had Hillary elected? I don't think so.

Over Trump?

Every day of the week and twice in Sunday.

@divegeester said
I think that what makes you and other right-wing American Christians appear hypocritical is posts like this where you talk about Jesus and his values and the next minute you support Trump and his pussy-grabbing values.

Can you not see that?

First of all, the comment in question was delivered to one man off the record over 10 years ago in an off the cuff type of way. Trump is hardly going around promoting that type of behavior to the general public. If he were, it would be a different story. It is akin to the false accusations of Trump being a racist. The man dated a black woman and asked Oprah to be his VP when he considered running for President over a decade ago.

So as you can see, there is the truth about Trump and the blown out of proportion view of Trump.

Secondly, to suggest that one must justify every short coming a politician has with the teaching of Jesus before voting for them is absurd. No one would pass. All men lie, especially politicians. This is why placing your full trust in man, no matter which party, is also absurd.

I have for years promoted reducing the scope and power at the federal level because power corrupts. We see this in history, in scripture, and in the current US government. To do this, states will have to rise up and amend the Constitution to take back much of the powers they have been stripped of over the years by the Progressive era. Until then, things will only get worse no matter which party is running the clown show. To think that half the nation wants to secede now after every Presidential election, no matter which party wins, is also absurd. This should not be! The best direction if for liberal states and conservative states to do what they think is best for themselves instead of half the nation continuously feel like they are held hostage.

And lastly, IF you believe that abortion is genocide like I do, then how could you ever vote for a Nazi? As a result, the entire DNC platform has divorced voters like myself.

So be it!

@deepthought said
Yes, it works fine. Britain is not a tyranny, which is what I was reacting to in your post. You might want to think twice about looking down on everyone else's systems of government while denigrating your own.

Universities are not part of the government. What you've mentioned may well be a problem in American universities, but that is a problem with universities in your country and not a problem with government.

You are side stepping the question.

Did the colonists have the right to revolt against the British crown?

Yea or nay?

@divegeester said
Ok I’m with you so far.

How does access to free healthcare “conflict with the laws of God”?

As I said, it is a complicated issue and I have various reasons for opposing nationalized health care.

For starters, I can point to the VA in the US as an example of what a government run health care system would look like. I can also point to a myriad of scandals involving the said health care that has cost the lives of many veterans. In addition, I can point to the fact that many veterans seek health care outside the VA, depending on the need and the ability of the VA to meet those needs. They do this because the VA is not good at meeting all their various needs.

In short, having privatized health care empowers veterans to seek "free" care or privatized care, whichever suits their needs better. But taking away options to me does not seem a good thing, especially knowing that once the government takes over something, accountability goes out the window with no higher power to go to when wronged. And we see this with the various scandals, as they are gently swept under the rug with often times just a slap on the wrist, if that. And no, sorry, voting changes virtually nothing and is not an adequate means of checks and balances for me to embrace it.

There is a reason someone like Mick Jagger comes all the way to the US for heart surgery, thus bypassing his government run health care in the country in which he resides.

@divegeester said
I think that what makes you and other right-wing American Christians appear hypocritical is posts like this where you talk about Jesus and his values and the next minute you support Trump and his pussy-grabbing values.

Can you not see that?

Rereading my post, there are so many things I would like to add as a response as to why Christians voted for Trump, but I think this man says it best.

He Fights. by Evan Sayet

My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #Never Trumpers) constantly ask me if I'm not bothered by Donald Trump's lack of decorum.

They ask if I don't think his tweets are "beneath the dignity of the office." Here's my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship.

Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized "collegiality" as John McCain? We tried propriety: has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.
This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don't find anything "dignified," "collegial" or "proper" about Barack Obama's lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

I don't see anything "dignified" in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don't see anything "statesman-like" in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was "articulate" and "polished" but in no way was he in the least bit "dignified," "collegial" or "proper."

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the '60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they've fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one the violent take-over of the universities till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America 's first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like "dignity" and "collegiality" simply aren't the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, "I cannot spare this man. He fights..."

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-b#tch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

Trump is fighting. And what's particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel's, he's shouting, "You magnificent bast#rd, I read your book!" That is just the icing on the cake, but it's wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he's defeating the Left using their own tactics.



That book is Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals a book so essential to the Liberals' war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton's senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump's tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after "the fake media" and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as "the most powerful weapon of all." ... Most importantly, Trump's tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either "go high" (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama's close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright's church. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration's weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration's cover-up.

So, to my friends on the Left and the #Never Trumpers as well do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be "collegial" and "dignified" and "proper"? Of course I do. These aren't those times. This is war. And it's a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times.
I don't care. I can't spare this man.



He fights for America!

@fmf said
"With guns"?

Who is going to be murdered?

Leave it to you to ask ignorant questions.

@suzianne said
Good question.

It was an ignorant question.

@divegeester said
How long?

A week or two.

@divegeester said
How do you define the “will of the people” within your constitution?

Is the "will of the people" too complicated for you?