Originally posted by Ullr"He who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall"
Well if she repents immediately after adultery her odds are pretty good. Unless she gets hit by a bus on the way to church.
The whole Christian concept of sin and repentance and forgiveness is a complete joke. You cannot undo what has been done because all of our actions affect ourselves, our families, someone, some part of the world. Our actions cannot s ...[text shortened]... see my family and my good reputation won."
- from the Tru Spirit album "Gift for a Gift"
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneJesus died fopr all sins.
As for Muslims and Hindus, he does say, "Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus" so it seems doubtful that it's one of them.
As for rapists, thieves, etc., are you saying that Jesus did not already pay the price for them? Which sins do you think Jesus didn't pay the price for? Which sins do you think Jesus did pay the price for?
But if you are a muslim and did not accept Christ as your savior you are lost in your sins until you accept him.
Originally posted by RBHILLSo what did you mean when you said, "But he might be one of those people who thinks that Jesus already paid the price for everyone. meaning ...rapists, stealers, ect."?
Jesus died fopr all sins.
But if you are a muslim and did not accept Christ as your savior you are lost in your sins until you accept him.
If you believe that Jesus died for all sins, wouldn't he have paid the price for ".rapists, stealers, ect."?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneyes but they have to accept Jesus. Not believe in Jesus will get someone to heaven.
So what did you mean when you said, "But he might be one of those people who thinks that Jesus already paid the price for everyone. meaning ...rapists, stealers, ect."?
If you believe that Jesus died for all sins, wouldn't he have paid the price for ".rapists, stealers, ect."?
Originally posted by RBHILLSo what did you mean when you said, "But he might be one of those people who thinks that Jesus already paid the price for everyone. meaning ...rapists, stealers, ect."?
yes but they have to accept Jesus. Not believe in Jesus will get someone to heaven.
Originally posted by RBHILLNow it seems like you believe that Muslims and Hindus would not be saved, but rapists and thieves would be saved. But originally you lumped "Muslims, hindus, athiests, rapists, stealers, ect" all together as if you believed that none in the list would be saved. You also originally said "because he killed people... I don't believe he accepted Jesus" as if committing a sin would mean that he didn't really accept Jesus.
That is what I am saying.
There are people who believe that Jesus already saved everyone.
Sorry, but you're really not making much sense here.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOnePeople are only saved if they accept Christ into their hearts.
Now it seems like you believe that Muslims and Hindus would not be saved, but rapists and thieves would be saved. But originally you lumped "Muslims, hindus, athiests, rapists, stealers, ect" all together as if you believed that none in the list would be saved. You also originally said "because he killed people... I don't believe he accepted Jesus" as if ...[text shortened]... e didn't really accept Jesus.
Sorry, but you're really not making much sense here.
Muslim can accept Christ but then they would have to become a Christianand turn from their wicked ways of idolitry. Same thing with a murderer if they accepted Christ they would have to become a Christian and turn from theire wicked ways.
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Originally posted by RBHILLWhat happens to those who accept Christ and become Christian, but don't turn from their wicked ways, that is continue to commit sin? Do you think that they are still Christian and have accepted Jesus?
People are only saved if they accept Christ into their hearts.
Muslim can accept Christ but then they would have to become a Christianand turn from their wicked ways of idolitry. Same thing with a murderer if they accepted Christ they would have to become a Christian and turn from theire wicked ways.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt's a matter of the heart.
What happens to those who accept Christ and become Christian, but don't turn from their wicked ways, that is continue to commit sin? Do you think that they are still Christian and have accepted Jesus?
If they truly ment it of accepting Christ and are trying to turn from their wicked ways then yes I believe they are Christians.
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Originally posted by Rajk999All is not forgiven. If this woman does intend to have sex with other men after confession, or if she is not really remorseful, then the absolution is not valid. True absolution requires that the penitent be fully repentent. The penitent also would incur the additional sin of lying if she knew that she was not really sorry. Furthermore, before the priest gives absolution, the penitent must also make a promise that they will, to the best of their effort, avoid those sins. If the penitent refuses that, then the priest must refuse absolution. In the case of this woman you discuss, it is unlikely that the absolution is valid since it is obvious that she has made no concerted effort to stop her infidelity.
Yeah .. repent and it will be forgiven.
I have a Catholic friend who regularly has sex with men other than her husband during the week and then goes to confession and all is forgiven. Its a great arrangement if you are a brainwashed Catholic.
Originally posted by Rajk999So at what point will stupid Catholics realise that this confession and forgiven nonsense is a sham and an insult to Christ?
But the Catholic priest tells her that she is forgiven.
She has TRULY repented.
(I take it there is a difference between 'truly' and 'TRULY'😉 ... 😀
And she does it again and she TRULY repents again.
And the priest tells her that she is TRULY forgiven.
And she does it again and she TRULY repents again.
And the priest tells her that she is TRULY forgive ...[text shortened]... holics realise that this confession and forgiven nonsense is a sham and an insult to Christ?
How is it any different to other Christians who believe in the boundless mercy of God? Presumably they ask for God's forgiveness, eventually commit the same sin, and then ask for forgiveness again. Same cycle except that they have the added bonus that they do not even have the obligation to go to a church and embarrass themselves before a priest by revealing all their faults. Protestants like that just need to make a mental prayer on the spot and then they can carry on with their lives.
Originally posted by Conrau KWell, if she were "really remorseful" and gave her "best effort", she'd stop that behavior. If she were "fully repentant" the behavior would no longer continue.
All is not forgiven. If this woman does intend to have sex with other men after confession, or if she is not really remorseful, then the absolution is not valid. True absolution requires that the penitent be fully repentent. The penitent also incurs the additional sin of lying. Furthermore, before the priest gives absolution, the penitent must also m ...[text shortened]... effort, avoid those sins. If the penitent refuses that, then the priest must refuse absolution.
This is yet another example of how some beliefs of some denominations of Christianity allow individuals to "resolve" pretty much any transgression against their fellow man whether big or small. In this case with the help of a third party - the priest. There's little wonder that they continue such behavior.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneBut ideally it's better because it's supposed to work in steps not take it or leave it.😀
Well, if she were "really remorseful" and gave her "best effort", she'd stop that behavior. If she were "fully repentant" the behavior would no longer continue.
This is yet another example of how some beliefs of some denominations of Christianity allow individuals to "resolve" pretty much any transgression against their fellow man whether big or small ...[text shortened]... of a third party - the priest. There's little wonder that they continue such behavior.