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Originally posted by whodeyIslam has an open ended goal for world domination? Really? You see, unlike you I imagine, I have travelled to Muslim countries and I also interact with Muslims at work on a weekly basis. Not once have I ever come across any Muslim claiming that Islam 'has an open ended goal for world domination'. They just get on with their day to life whilst practicing their faith. Now I fully accept that 'some' Muslims have this agenda but it is my experience that they are in the considerable minority. Surely, as insane as you are, you agree with me on this. 🙂
The West has an open ended war as well, but that is for oil.
Conversely, Islam has an open ended goal for world domination.
If you get in eithers way they will slit your throat just like Obama did Gaddafi.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWhen Christians were hunting down Jews in Europe not all Christians participated. In fact, most did not. However, most were convinced through the church that God wanted to hunt down the Jews because they murdered Jesus, something not in the Bible at all.
Islam has an open ended goal for world domination? Really? You see, unlike you I imagine, I have travelled to Muslim countries and I also interact with Muslims at work on a weekly basis. Not once have I ever come across any Muslim claiming that Islam 'has an open ended goal for world domination'. They just get on with their day to life whilst practicing ...[text shortened]... ey are in the considerable minority. Surely, as insane as you are, you agree with me on this. 🙂
What I'm talking about is the theology that motivates those that take literally everything Mo did and said and try to emulate it.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadJesus did not speak out against the Roman occupation either but that does not mean he endorsed it. In the words of Jesus, he came to set men free from within, not overthrow world powers.
I am willing to speak out against slavery for a start.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobIn the western countries like the USA and the UK, the radical muslim is clearly in the minority. However, in the Islamic countries, the radical muslims are at least half of the population and some say they are in the majority based on polls.
Islam has an open ended goal for world domination? Really? You see, unlike you I imagine, I have travelled to Muslim countries and I also interact with Muslims at work on a weekly basis. Not once have I ever come across any Muslim claiming that Islam 'has an open ended goal for world domination'. They just get on with their day to life whilst practicing ...[text shortened]... ey are in the considerable minority. Surely, as insane as you are, you agree with me on this. 🙂
However, the estmate of those that are actively involved in ISIS and other radical groups as Jihadists has been estimated at only about 200 million muslims. That is still a minority of the estimated 1.9 billion muslims in the world. But it appears that many more agree with much of their agrenda of establishing sharia law everywhere they live. But even though 200 million is a minority, it still is not something to just sneeze at.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI think you know full well they can't mount an army capable of damaging the US directly. Its just like the argument used to justify the Vietnam war: The domino effect means the entire southeast Asia will be dominated by commies so we better go in there and kill the lot of them.
In the western countries like the USA and the UK, the radical muslim is clearly in the minority. However, in the Islamic countries, the radical muslims are at least half of the population and some say they are in the majority based on polls.
However, the estmate of those that are actively involved in ISIS and other radical groups as Jihadists has been es ...[text shortened]... ey live. But even though 200 million is a minority, it still is not something to just sneeze at.
You perhaps saw how well that turned out. We lost. We lost because the South Vietnamese didn't have the will to fight and we didn't want to commit a million man army just to hold off the inevitable.
So in the middle east, if ISIS and their buddies take over Iraq, the rest of the Arab nations will just go along and that will be that.
Another brutal government but that would be the end of it.
The US is tired of war in the middle east, we won't be sending in hundreds of thousands of troops and that is the truth of it. To defeat ISIS there needs to be a well equipped army of several hundred thousand and that is not going to happen so it seems inevitable, just like Vietnam, we will lose all that territory that we gained through deception by the Republican party back in 01 and 02. Oh yes, we KNOW Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, so we better go in there and kill them all.
So now you see how THAT turned out. Doesn't it make you proud to be a republican?
Originally posted by whodeyThat is not true. They would still kill women accused of adultery, they would still kill for apostasy and there would ALWAYS be rebels of any order so they would never stop killing even if they took over the world.
Like I said, once they conquer the world they will stop killing.
LOL.
The thing is, that will never happen. Suppose they take over the middle east, Saudi Arabia taken over, all our 'moderate' countries gone, one big ISIS area, all the middle east theirs.
Then they are not satisfied and attack, say France. How long do you think NATO would stand for that? There WOULD be a million man army against ISIS at that point and if it came to that kind of fight, there would be no holds barred, NATO might even use tactical nukes to stop them. I imagine that in that scenario Russia and China would be nowhere to be seen, just hoping ISIS would take over Europe. Then suppose ISIS DOES take over Europe. Do you suppose China would ever allow ISIS to attack China itself?
A BILLION Chinese? They could send in a TEN million man army and ISIS would be overwhelmed and if ten million wasn't enough, they could send 100 million men after them.
So the dream of ISIS taking over the world is total bullshyte.
Originally posted by RJHindsThat's lovely. But do you have any actual evidence to back any of what you have said up?
In the western countries like the USA and the UK, the radical muslim is clearly in the minority. However, in the Islamic countries, the radical muslims are at least half of the population and some say they are in the majority based on polls.
However, the estmate of those that are actively involved in ISIS and other radical groups as Jihadists has been es ...[text shortened]... ey live. But even though 200 million is a minority, it still is not something to just sneeze at.
Originally posted by whodeySo you agree with me that only 'some' extreme fundamentalist Muslims have an open ended goal for world domination?
When Christians were hunting down Jews in Europe not all Christians participated. In fact, most did not. However, most were convinced through the church that God wanted to hunt down the Jews because they murdered Jesus, something not in the Bible at all.
What I'm talking about is the theology that motivates those that take literally everything Mo did and said and try to emulate it.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThis reminds me of when the crowd was asked which prisoner should be released. Did they want Jesus, who did not agitate for the overthrow of oppressive Roman rule, or Barabbas who was a known murderer of Roman soldiers.
Which makes him less moral than me. Thank you for confirming it.
The crowd chose Barabbas.
Originally posted by Proper KnobUnited States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
So you agree with me that only 'some' extreme fundamentalist Muslims have an open ended goal for world domination?
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 - Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.[5]
Saudi ArabiaUnited States June 25, 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.[6]
Egypt November 17, 1997 – Luxor massacre, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attacked tourists at the Luxor ruins. 62 killed, 26 injured.[7]
India February 14, 1998 – A total of 58 people were killed and over 200 injured in 12 bomb attacks in 11 places, in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu.
Tanzania Kenya United States August 7, 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead, 4000+ injured.[8]
2000–2009[edit]
The north face of Two World Trade Center (south tower) immediately after being struck by United Airlines Flight 175
Hasib Hussain, who detonated the bus bomb in Tavistock Square in the 7 July 2005 London bombings, is captured on CCTV leavingYemenUnited States October 12, 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden. 17 American sailors were killed, 39 injured.[9]
India December 22, 2000 – Attack on Red Fort in Delhi.
Indonesia December 24, 2000 – Christmas Eve 2000 Indonesia bombings of churches in eight cities, 18 killed.[10]
United States September 11, 2001 – 4 planes hijacked by 19 al-Qaeda hijackers: two planes crashed into World Trade Center and one into the The Pentagon. Nearly 3000 dead.[11]
India October 1, 2001 – Attack on the Jammu and Kashmir legislative assembly.
India December 13, 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba, aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.[12]
India March 30, 2002 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
Indonesia October 12, 2002 – 2002 Bali bombings in the tourist district of Kuta on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people and injuring 240.[13]
India November 24, 2001 – Attack on the Raghunath temple
India January 22, 2002 – Attack on an American cultural centre in Kolkata
India May 14, 2002 – three terrorists attacked a tourist bus near the town of Kaluchak in the Indian state Jammu and Kashmir .
India July 13, 2002 – Militants kill 29 Hindu labourers in Qasim Nagar on the outskirts of Jammu in Jammu and Kashmir.
India September 24, 2002 – Akshardham Temple attack
India August 25, 2003 – Twin car bombings killed 54, and injured 244 people in Mumbai.
Indonesia August 5, 2003 – 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber detonated a car bomb outside the JW Marriott Jakarta lobby, killing 12 and injuring 150
Turkey November 15–20, 2003 – 2003 Istanbul bombings, killed 57 people and wounded 700.
Spain March 11, 2004 – Madrid train bombings, killed 191 people and wounded 1,800.[14][15]
Russia September 1, 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[16][17]
Indonesia Australia September 9, 2004 – 2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bomber exploded a one-tonne car bomb, which was packed into a small Daihatsu delivery van, outside the Australian embassy at Kuningan District, South Jakarta killing 9 and injuring over 150
Netherlands November 2, 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[18]
India July 5, 2005 – Attack on the Hindu Ram temple in Ayodhya, India. 6 dead.
United Kingdom July 7, 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
Egypt July 23, 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
Indonesia October 1, 2005 – 2005 Bali bombings in Jimbaran & Kuta, Bali, Indonesia; a series of bombings kills at least 20 and injures over 100.
India October 29, 2005 – 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus.[19]
Jordan November 9, 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[20][21] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[22]
India March 7, 2006 – A series of bombings occurred across the Hindu holy city of Varanasi killing at least 28 people and injuring 101 others.
India April 30, 2006 – 2006 Doda massacre: Thirty-five Hindus killed by terrorists in Doda district in Jammu and Kashmir.
India July 11, 2006 – 2006 Mumbai train bombings: Seven bomb blasts over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.[23]
India May 13, 2007 – Jaipur bombings
United Kingdom June 30, 2007 - 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack, 5 injured.
Iraq August 14, 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings. Dour suicide vehicle bombings in two predominantly Yazidi towns in northern Iraq. 796 killed, 1,562 wounded.[24]
India July 26, 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings. 56 dead, over 200 injured.[25][26]
India September 13, 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
India September 27, 2008 – 27 September 2008 Delhi blast: An explosion in Mehrauli's Electronic market called Sarai, killed 3 and injured 23 others.
India November 26, 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 166 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[27][28]
United States June 1, 2009 - 2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting by Abdulhakim Muhajid Muhammad. 1 killed and 1 injured
Somalia June 18, 2009 – 2009 Beledweyne bombing by Al-Shabaab. 35 dead.
Indonesia July 17, 2009 – 2009 Marriott and Ritz-Carlton Hotels bombing in Mega Kuningan, South Jakarta, Indonesia; suicide bombers hit the Marriott and 5 minutes later the Ritz-Carlton. 9 killed and 53 injured
United States November 5, 2009 – Fort Hood shooting, at Fort Hood near Killeen, Texas. 13 dead, 33 injured.
2010–current[edit]
Russia March 29, 2010 - Moscow Metro bombings. 40 dead, 102 injured. Caucasus Emirate claimed responsibility[29]
Pakistan May 28, 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.[30]
India December 7, 2010 – 2010 Varanasi bombing, India. 2 dead, 37 injured.
Sweden December 10, 2010 – 2010 Stockholm bombing, Sweden. killing the bomber and injuring two people.
Russia January 21, 2011 - Domodedovo International Airport bombing. 37 killed, 173 wounded[31]
Germany March 2, 2011 – 2011 Frankfurt Airport shooting, Frankfurt, Germany. 2 dead, 2 injured.
China July 18, 2011 – 2011 Hotan attack, Hotan, China. A group of 18 young Uyghur men who opposed the local government's campaign against the full-face Islamic veil perpetrated a series of coordinated bomb and knife attacks and occupied a police station on Nuerbage Street, killing two security guards and taking eight hostages. The attackers yelled religious slogans, including ones associated with Jihadism, 4 killed, 4 wounded.
China July 30, 2011 - A series of knife and bomb attacks occurred in Kashgar, China. Uyghur men hijacked a truck, killed its driver and drove into a crowd of pedestrians. They then got out of the vehicle and attacked pedestrians with knifes. On July 31, a chain of two explosions started a fire in a restaurant, 15 killed, 42 wounded.
Nigeria December 25, 2011 - Christmas Day bombings were bomb blasts and shootings at churches in Madalla, Jos, Gadaka, and Damaturu. Over 41 people are reported dead.[32]
Iraq 5 January 2012 Iraq bombings, Baghdad and Nasiriyah, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 73 dead, 149 injured.
Thailand February 14, 2012 - A series of explosions occurred in Bangkok, Thailand, 5 wounded.
Iraq 23 February 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad, Iraq by Islamic State of Iraq. 83 dead, 250+ injured.
Iraq 20 March 2012 Iraq attacks, Baghdad and at least 9 other cities, Iraq. 52 dead, ~ 250 injured.
France March 20, 2012 – Toulouse and Montauban shootings in France. 7 dead, 5 injured.
Russia May 3, 2012 - Makhachkala attack. 14 dead, including 2 suicide bombers, 130 wounded[33]
Bulgaria July 18, 2012 - 2012 Burgas bus bombing - 7 dead, including the suicide bomber and 32 injured at Burgas Airport, Burgas, Bulgaria.
LibyaUnited States September 11, 2012 – 2012 Benghazi attack on the U.S. Consulate. 4 dead, 11 injured.
India February 21, 2013. – 2013 Hyderabad blasts, two bomb blasts killed 16 people and injured 119.
United States April 15, 2013. – Boston Marathon bombings. Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. The blast killed 3 and injured 183 others.[34]
Turkey May 11, 2013 – Reyhanlı bombings, killed 52 people and wounded 140.
United Kingdom May 22, 2013 – Two men with cleavers kill British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich.[35][36]
France May 23, 2013 – 2013 La Défense attack. An Islamic extremist wielding a kn...
Originally posted by whodeyNa, I just think that all of these attacks were just random events like Obama claims.
United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 - Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking i ...[text shortened]... ch.[35][36]
France May 23, 2013 – 2013 La Défense attack. An Islamic extremist wielding a kn...
Originally posted by twhiteheadYour disdain for shunning fighting evil with evil reminds me of the Palestinian people. They throw rocks at tanks, send their children into the streets to blow themselves up, and lob rockets into Israel.
Which makes him less moral than me. Thank you for confirming it.
Who is having or has had more success? Jesus or those dolts?
Originally posted by whodeyOk, bad as those attacks were, what was the total number of people killed? My point is they are militarily weak so they try to gain the worlds attention by these despicable acts and get converts.
United States February 26, 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, in New York City. 6 killed.[4]
India March 12, 1993 – Serial blasts in Mumbai kill 257 people.
Turkey July 2, 1993 - Sivas Massacre, Arson attack at a gathering in Sivas killing 35 intellectuals from Turkey, most of whom were Alevis.
Algeria December 24, 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking i ...[text shortened]... ch.[35][36]
France May 23, 2013 – 2013 La Défense attack. An Islamic extremist wielding a kn...
Compare the total dead count of those terrorists to the number killed in WW2.